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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 8:38:15 GMT -5
if the animal was close enough i would take the shot. aim at the white spot on the neck right between the shoulders. however i shoot 3 blade muzzy broadheads and would NOT recommend shooting a frontal shot with expandables of any make, cut on contact or not. they just dont get the penetration if you happen to hit a shoulder.
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Post by swilk on Sept 13, 2010 11:24:31 GMT -5
funny, i have seen penetration testing that shows some expandables penetrate just as well as, if not better than, some fixed blade heads.
IMO, if you are going to take on a frontal shot there are a lot more important things to consider before you get to what broadhead you are using.
Just like most things in life ..... there are guys who are more than competent enough in their ability and equipment to take a frontal shot. Funny thing is that it is usually those guys who know better ......
Have I ever taken a frontal shot with a bow? yep. Took all kind of ill advised shots when I was younger. I would like to think I have learned a little since then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 12:59:23 GMT -5
this may be off the subject but the testing they do with the expandables isnt on a deer or other animal. they are all done on a "target" that those particular heads penetrate farther than the competition. plus all they ever show is the arrow and heads in the target, they dont show if they are possibly shooting a lighter bow with the heads they are wanting to out penetrate. i know from past expierences that mechanicals including the rage dont penetrate as well as a good fixed blade. i know of 2 deer shot last year alone (one doe by me and one very large buck by timex) that were shot less than 20 yards away with expandables and neither arrow made a pass through. sorry for highjacking this thread with broad head talk just my rant for today.
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Post by swilk on Sept 13, 2010 14:52:58 GMT -5
I have had poor penetration using a Muzzy 100gr 3 blade being pushed about 290fps as part of a 450gr arrow. 84 ft/lbs of kenetic energy ....
Would it be correct for me to say the Muzzy is a poor choice when penetration is the goal? No.
To many variables in play to blame a broadhead for lack of penetration. Any broadhead, mechanical or fixed.
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Post by hunter7x on Sept 13, 2010 15:38:58 GMT -5
lol Oh I LOVE me some my broadhead is better than your broadhead threads!! NO vote from me on the frontal shot. And yes from my youthful experiences comes my vote. Muzzy rules N Rage shooters drool
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Post by steve46511 on Sept 13, 2010 15:47:55 GMT -5
LOL......tis' better that we all shoot "what works for us" and promotes the confidence so important in our sport, IMHO. Sooner or later Id have to open my yap and be more specific on MY beliefs, findings, experiences, both by me and what Ive seen, but..sigh, been there done that and it's a no win situation where someone gets more upset than tis justifyable. Then KE vs Momentum would rear its ugly head and the "war" would continue on as it has for decades. Ill vote for sticking on topic here Interesting, as always that our findings vary so much and therefore our opinons. Those that wish to debate it all, go for it (new thread???) As for me??
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 13, 2010 18:48:25 GMT -5
my shot was with a 125grain 3blade muzzy, at 15yards on the ground it actually knocked him down and he got up and bled out within 100 yards, the broadhead penetrated to around the stomach area, of course I lost a 150" 9 point last year that quit bleeding with a 20 yard liver-lung pass thru and will be shooting montecs this year, probably had more to do with the buck being 300 pounds on the hoof than anything, once you lose confidence
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 21:05:08 GMT -5
I like pass throughs....two holes is better than one. When expandables open in flight and don't go through, it's time to move on to something else. With a full frontal shot, you'll probably only get one hole or one lung....either one is not as good as two holes or two lungs. Now IF you know how low the heart lays in a deer and take the chance to shoot that low on a front on deer, then you'll get a fairly quick kill for sure. IMO, frontal shots are not high precentage shots, in fact I'd guess as many will not be found as will be making it 50/50....just a guess.
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Post by mrfixit on Sept 14, 2010 6:00:15 GMT -5
I think it would all depend on the shot. It's a shot that can be made under the right circumstances but it isn't a shot that you would want to take under every circumstance and you would want to be very cautious of the shot if shooting from a stand as the probability of the angle being way off would be very high. No need to give the deer an education they won't soon forget by just wounding.
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Post by gillgrabber on Sept 14, 2010 7:06:52 GMT -5
Sadly, yes I took such a shot with my bow when I was about 20 years old. It was only the 2nd deer I'd taken and I got a little excited. The small buck was walking straight towards me about 7 yards out. I thought i could draw my bow without being seen but it saw me, stopped, and looked right at me. I thought it was going to bolt so I took the shot right under it's chin. He dropped in his tracks and DRT so it worked, but I wouldn't take the same shot again today.
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Post by 76chevy on Sept 16, 2010 20:50:53 GMT -5
not a shot in my book
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Post by 76chevy on Sept 16, 2010 20:53:17 GMT -5
yes, I agree with the 50/50 and pass troughs I shoot muzzys and slick tricks. I for one am NOT willing to gamble on wounding an animal, I will wait for a better shot or let them walk I like pass throughs....two holes is better than one. When expandables open in flight and don't go through, it's time to move on to something else. With a full frontal shot, you'll probably only get one hole or one lung....either one is not as good as two holes or two lungs. Now IF you know how low the heart lays in a deer and take the chance to shoot that low on a front on deer, then you'll get a fairly quick kill for sure. IMO, frontal shots are not high precentage shots, in fact I'd guess as many will not be found as will be making it 50/50....just a guess.
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Post by duff on Sept 17, 2010 2:52:03 GMT -5
First deer I ever killed was a frontal shot with a bow. I was on the ground and this doe was about 5 yards in front of me. She didn't go far. Never taken another bow shot like that but have killed many deer with a gun using the white spot for a nice target. No reason to look for a blood trail on any of those. They were DRT.
As with most things, you need to be very confindent in you equipment and know the limitations. I'd pass every time with archery equip any more but I'd take that with a gun if the animal is in my comfort range.
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