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Post by StingyRog on Sept 11, 2010 19:28:44 GMT -5
Was watching ESPN this morning and saw Tom Miranda shoot a very nice size Whitetail with a full frontal shot from a treestand. The deer came in straight at him, stopped and looked up at him and he took the shot. I was shocked they showed that type of shot on TV. I dont think he set a good example to other hunters by taking that type of shot. I was taught never to take that type of shot with a bow. Have any of you ever taken a frontal shot at a deer with a bow?
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Post by deerman1 on Sept 11, 2010 20:15:16 GMT -5
Was watching ESPN this morning and saw Tom Miranda shoot a very nice size Whitetail with a full frontal shot from a treestand. The deer came in straight at him, stopped and looked up at him and he took the shot. I was shocked they showed that type of shot on TV. I dont think he set a good example to other hunters by taking that type of shot. I was taught never to take that type of shot with a bow. Have any of you ever taken a frontal shot at a deer with a bow? There is nothing wrong with a strait on frontal shot if you know you have the ability to make it in very high percentages .Yes more than once it is actually a very deadly shot and results in a very quick recovery . Practice the shots tou take and know your personal limitations because not every bowhunter has the same skill level as yourself.
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Post by turkeyscout on Sept 11, 2010 20:16:29 GMT -5
No and not planning on that shot either, i also was watching a hunting show today with Hank Parker and sons, thats all they talked about is baiting deer with come here deer, it just makes me sick that thats allowed in some states,sure hope indiana never stups that low and call it legal here, thats not real deer hunting as i know it!!!!! ...just venting.....02...........turkey scout
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Post by deerman1 on Sept 11, 2010 20:32:01 GMT -5
No and not planning on that shot either, i also was watching a hunting show today with Hank Parker and sons, thats all they talked about is baiting deer with come here deer, it just makes me sick that thats allowed in some states,sure hope indiana never stups that low and call it legal here, thats not real deer hunting as i know it!!!!! ...just venting.....02...........turkey scout Scout dont knock what you have never tried . Try it before you bash it . I have done it a few times up in MI years ago and the deer are way way more on edge over bait there than standing in a corn feild or walking down the same trail that they have walked down the last 6 months .Its all in what yoy were raised with and perceptions.
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Post by WhoDey78 on Sept 11, 2010 21:23:18 GMT -5
I agree with Scout. You don't need to smoke crack before you bash it, don't need to bait deer first either.
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Post by deerman1 on Sept 11, 2010 22:03:46 GMT -5
I agree with Scout. You don't need to smoke crack before you bash it, don't need to bait deer first either. Not the same at all be fair its about ethics and if its not yours that fine that is the great thing about hunting in lots of state other than here you get to experiance fun and different things.
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Post by lymanl3 on Sept 11, 2010 22:45:39 GMT -5
Doesnt surprise me a bit. Seen deer on TV get hit in terrible spots and fall 50yds away....
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Post by Ahawkeye on Sept 11, 2010 23:08:42 GMT -5
A few years ago I tried a shot like that on a doe wish I had never taken the shot, I spent 2 days tracking her and never got her. I was sick about it if I had known that the % was so low I probably would have just let the bow down.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 12, 2010 2:46:00 GMT -5
I've shot a few that way with a couple of different HPR's, worked fine - a bow -I'm not shooting. Interestingly enough I've never had that shot presented to me in IN. The baiting issue mostly seems to come down to people's experience. If all they have ever known is hunting in a no bait state, they are dead set against it; if they grew up in a bait state it's fine. I hunt in both - it's not a big deal to me one way or the other.
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Post by steve46511 on Sept 12, 2010 5:18:48 GMT -5
In my case, that wont happen often simply because IMHO, if in close enough range for me it will probably eyeballing me and I wont ever again shoot at a deer looking at me, at any angle. Very far away and it turns into a low percentage shot. The front end of the ribcage roughly covers about 1/3 or less (again, my opinion) of the center of what you see and chance getting BOTH lungs on a "head on" shot is about nil. The rest of the possible results is a REAL good chance of just a leg or shoulder, or in between shoulder and rib cage. In all actuality, an angled back shot in front of the shoulder at about 45 degrees is a better option and one I prefer ( crossways on the ribcage gives me more innards to hit) more than a STRAIGHT frontal shot but again, not if they already see me. About the only way I can think that EITHER could happen is if I was already at full draw and the deer turned towards me but was looking elsewhere........at about 12 yards or less. Wont happen often. Oh yeah........and from a ground blind too, in my case. MUCH better angle of the dangle for a shot, I feel, but also why they would be eyeballing me LOL! IMHO, its not about penetration alone, its a combo of probably hitting ONE lung, in a small target, in a scenario where the animal probably knows you are there and is too close to draw on. Maybe "experts" can take shots with inky dinky targets at longer ranges and while I feel Im pretty decent, I know I also get pretty excited so high risk shots become even HIGHER risk shots so ........No thanks. Ive seen the same on tv on a bull elk. Maybe for guys that make a living (but what shots DONT we see?) who do it enough they have lost some of the thrill (I. E. shivers, shakes, forget to breath, LOL) it's acceptable but agree it's not the best thing to show Joe Average. They shoot critters over 1000 yards on other shows with CFRs too........Works for those capable of such, of which I (and I hope others too) realize I am not. As in all our sport, regardless of weapon, it's about knowing YOUR limitations with what you are shooting more than it is about "CAN it work". From the femoral artery to a double lung shot, there are MANY shots that are LETHAL........but each must decide just how repeatedly they can hit them and go from there. Also, within our thoughts is how quickly the animal will die, the amount of suffering etc, and FEW of us don't want that to happen ASAP! I have a book, and have read others about "shots of yesteryear" that indeed work, were often preferred by big bowhunting names YOU KNOW......but you would FAINT if I told you where they aimed. I find the hunting world the only one where being "politically correct" is beneficial to all of us. I know........too wordy, SORRY! God Bless Steve PS. However, let us all keep in mind, TV shows are MOSTLY made to be ENTERTAINING and to SELL PRODUCTS........and are NOT, EVER souly produced as educational. Food for thought you consumers you! ;D
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 12, 2010 6:09:45 GMT -5
Not in this lifetime....
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 12, 2010 8:02:44 GMT -5
frontal shot on deer is NOT a shot. Too many variables come into play not the least of which is a tiny target on a hyper-twitchy animal...THAT IS FACING YOU. Sure, its taken some game...but its LOST alot more, I guarantee it
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 12, 2010 8:52:14 GMT -5
base of the neck off center depending on angle and elevation, I've only tried it once and was on the ground at 15 yards, dead buck
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Post by gambler on Sept 12, 2010 16:07:30 GMT -5
Years ago I watched Dan Fitzgerald shoot a whitetail in the behind. Seems like he called it a Texas Heart Shot or something. I wouldn't attempt a frontal or rear shot myself but that is just me. The Fitzgerald shot got the job done though.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 12, 2010 19:14:14 GMT -5
Yep, one in the bung is the "Texas Heart Shot". I like my target a lot bigger, so a definate NO on the frontal bow shot. With my Savage...probably.
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Post by woodmaster on Sept 12, 2010 20:18:26 GMT -5
I did it once and the buck ran about 75 yards. I had to shoot again about an hour later. The arrow went thru one lung and in the guts.
I'll never do it again.....too much margin for error.
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Post by cleetus on Sept 13, 2010 5:59:47 GMT -5
About 8 years ago I shot my one and only wall hanger using a frontal shot....he's on my wall but I wouldn't do it again nor have I tried. Passed up a 10 point last year because the only shot I had was a frontal.
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Post by tickman1961 on Sept 13, 2010 7:59:14 GMT -5
No and not planning on that shot either, i also was watching a hunting show today with Hank Parker and sons, thats all they talked about is baiting deer with come here deer, it just makes me sick that thats allowed in some states,sure hope indiana never stups that low and call it legal here, thats not real deer hunting as i know it!!!!! ...just venting.....02...........turkey scout Your opinion....."real deer hunting" ?
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Post by tickman1961 on Sept 13, 2010 8:02:10 GMT -5
Practice, practice, practice, practice.....confidence comes from practice. Chris Bracket would take that shot everytime with excellent results. Do not put your own limitations on others.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 13, 2010 8:10:31 GMT -5
Was watching ESPN this morning and saw Tom Miranda shoot a very nice size Whitetail with a full frontal shot from a treestand. The deer came in straight at him, stopped and looked up at him and he took the shot. I was shocked they showed that type of shot on TV. I dont think he set a good example to other hunters by taking that type of shot. I was taught never to take that type of shot with a bow. Have any of you ever taken a frontal shot at a deer with a bow? There is nothing wrong with a strait on frontal shot if you know you have the ability to make it in very high percentages .Yes more than once it is actually a very deadly shot and results in a very quick recovery . Practice the shots tou take and know your personal limitations because not every bowhunter has the same skill level as yourself. Ditto. I have successfully taken this elevated close-in shot with my bow on more than one occasion from my treestands. Great blood trails with recoveries no farther than around 75 yards. No lost game either. I practice alot on my 3D deer target from all angles & yardages from my shooting platform in my backyard so I feel comfortable taking shots that some folks may pass on.
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