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Post by deerpreacher on Sept 1, 2010 17:47:13 GMT -5
What new calibers will the new law allow if changed to 1.80 in case? I know this is probably old news but I have been away for a while.
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Post by catahecassa on Sept 1, 2010 18:23:08 GMT -5
.460 S&W, .450 Bushmaster, .500 S&W, .50 Beowolf...& some additional wildcats.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 1, 2010 20:15:21 GMT -5
.500 S&W is already legal.
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Post by BOBinIN on Sept 2, 2010 9:32:26 GMT -5
The 50-70 Govt. will pass the test without having to trim the case length.
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Post by parson on Sept 2, 2010 11:21:36 GMT -5
.35 Remington will work with a little trimming.
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 2, 2010 11:35:10 GMT -5
a quick check says case length is 1.920...can it be trimmed to the 1.80 length? .35 Remington will work with a little trimming.
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Post by parson on Sept 2, 2010 11:44:19 GMT -5
Seemed to a consensus on one reloading site that it would be OK. Looking at the case, there would be enough neck left to secure the bullet. I don't know if they would cycle in a lever gun, but a single, such as a Handi Rifle would handle them.
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Post by drs on Sept 2, 2010 11:51:34 GMT -5
.35 Remington will work with a little trimming. Does this mean if I shorten cases on my .458 X 2" AMERICAN to <1.8", even though the marking on my rifle's barrel says ".458 X 2" AMERICAN"; would make it legal?
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Post by Decatur on Sept 2, 2010 12:03:29 GMT -5
Ya, you would just have to let the CO inspect, and maybe take one of your rounds. I wonder if they will carry go-no go gauges? They should!
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 2, 2010 12:06:31 GMT -5
can you direct me to this discussion? I would like to read about it. Seemed to a consensus on one reloading site that it would be OK. Looking at the case, there would be enough neck left to secure the bullet. I don't know if they would cycle in a lever gun, but a single, such as a Handi Rifle would handle them.
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Post by cedarthicket on Sept 2, 2010 12:09:22 GMT -5
The .35 Remington case would need to be shortened roughly 0.12 inches (1.920 - 1.800) to meet the proposed maximum case length. People often use .38 Special cases in .357 Magnum chambers, a difference in case length of roughly 0.135 inches (1.290 - 1.155). They may get a bit of lead buildup in the longer chamber with lead bullets, and perhaps a bit of powder fouling even with jacketed bullets. However, for an infrequent shot at a deer this should not present any significant problem. Also, the shorter cases can be loaded with the same bullets as the longer cases, and often to the same overall cartridge length so that feeding should not be a problem in repeating rifles. There still remains questions of bullet crimping with certain bullets, bullet types (e.g., avoid pointed ones in tubular magazines), bullet lengths to have enough support in the neck area of loaded cases, and the usual safe reloading practices.
After a shooting session with shorter cases be sure to clean out the chamber so that firing longer cases will not cause a feeding or safety (high pressure) problem.
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Post by parson on Sept 2, 2010 13:50:43 GMT -5
It was on graybeard outdoors in the Handi Rifle forum. It was a month or more ago. I'm not sure how their search function works, but I'll try to find and post a link.
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Post by parson on Sept 2, 2010 13:57:06 GMT -5
www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,211311.msg1099127436.html#msg1099127436 Here's the one I could find on a quick search. There are other discussions there, but it would take a while to track down.
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 2, 2010 14:03:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the link parson!
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Post by parson on Sept 2, 2010 14:24:19 GMT -5
That's a very informative site. But it can be confusing (at least for me) to navigate. But the folks there will typically help you find what you're looking for.
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 2, 2010 14:42:17 GMT -5
Yes I agree, a good site, used to spend some time there but have not in awhile. I only have so much time to spend perusing the websites. That's a very informative site. But it can be confusing (at least for me) to navigate. But the folks there will typically help you find what you're looking for.
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Post by danf on Sept 2, 2010 18:25:36 GMT -5
Let me first say that after spending all day digging trenches and installing an irrigation system in today's 95+ degree heat, I'm not particularly motivated to get up and look at a manual to see what the specs of the case should be.... Now: People often use .38 Special cases in .357 Magnum chambers, a difference in case length of roughly 0.135 inches Apples and oranges, IMHO. .38/.357 is a straightwall cartridge and headspaces off of the rim, whereas a .35 Rem is a bottleneck and headspaces off of the shoulder. The difference in length between a .38 and a .357 makes not a bit of difference when it comes to holding the bullet in the case, especially since they can be easily crimped- and usually are. Shortening a .35 Rem neck that much has potential to decrease neck tension, and crimping the bullet at a cannelure may be the only way to dependably keep the bullet in the case. However if the bullet has no cannelure you may have issues. Depending on the rifle, accuracy may suffer as well for a couple of reasons depending on the circumstances. I had asked essentially the same questions under the current regulations but in regards to the .357 Herret, and the answer is yes, it's the case that is measured, not the chamber.
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Post by huxbux on Sept 3, 2010 8:04:34 GMT -5
I thought only straight walled cartridges were allowed?
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Post by parson on Sept 3, 2010 8:05:02 GMT -5
Hey danf,
If I thinking correctly about this, the issues that you mention would be likely to pertain more to a lever gun than a single shot, such as a Handi or TC.
Pointed bullets shouldn't be an issue with these. And, the crimp shouldn't be as critical, depending on powder ignition.
I haven't been digging ditches in the heat, but my caffeine may not have kicked in yet, so what do ya think?
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 3, 2010 8:07:43 GMT -5
I thought only straight walled cartridges were allowed? Orginally that was the proposal, but that was changed by the final.
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