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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 17, 2010 20:29:01 GMT -5
So really that graph don't mean squat if most of the accidents are at night Deer movement speckle.. it is a time period when deer are moving the most..aka pre-rut and rut.
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Post by speckle on Aug 17, 2010 20:40:36 GMT -5
I know they move during the day, but move more at night and I bet most of the accidents are during the nighttime hrs.Not much you can do about that.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 17, 2010 20:45:42 GMT -5
I know they move during the day, but move more at night and I bet most of the accidents are during the nighttime hrs.Not much you can do about that. Sure we can. If we can hunt and kill them at the best movement time, which is pointed out by the graph, then we can prevent some of them from entering the roadways - day or night. Having the gun season come in two weeks AFTER that peak movment time period is like closing the barn door after the horse got out.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 17, 2010 20:48:15 GMT -5
There is definately something special about a turkey day rabbit hunt with family! This was my childhood and introduction into hunting. All the "guys" went hunting and the "women" fixed dinner.
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Post by speckle on Aug 17, 2010 21:00:33 GMT -5
So woody your statement makes no sense. If the best movement is at night then you are saying to hunt them then. Just show me the numbers in day and night accidents
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 17, 2010 21:24:22 GMT -5
I know they move during the day, but move more at night and I bet most of the accidents are during the nighttime hrs.Not much you can do about that. Sure we can. If we can hunt and kill them at the best movement time, which is pointed out by the graph, then we can prevent some of them from entering the roadways - day or night. Having the gun season come in two weeks AFTER that peak movment time period is like closing the barn door after the horse got out. Sounds good bub, but you sure its because of the rut, and not increased hunting activity?
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Post by speckle on Aug 17, 2010 21:28:55 GMT -5
Or full moon?
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 18, 2010 1:15:47 GMT -5
I'm not voting because to do so I would almost feel as I'm agreeing with the season being shortened and I'm so dead set against shortening any season it makes me ill to think about it.
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 18, 2010 5:37:52 GMT -5
By looking at the graph it appears the most deer movement happens between 10/29 and 11/15. The only way that would be from hunter pressure is from bow hunters. Very seldom does gun season come in before 11/15.
And it doesn't matter if the accidents happen at night or during the day. It's obvious by looking at the numbers that the deer are very active during those two weeks whether or not it's by night or during the day is moot.
It's really an interesting graph. So does it also indicate that the gun shots/ gun hunters don't cause the deer to go nocturnal and disappear after the first weekend of gun season, that it's actually the natural cycle of things?
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Post by oldhoyt on Aug 18, 2010 7:03:19 GMT -5
Tradition is what has been done in the past. Keep it traditional, start and end as has been done in the past. Let hunters decide when they want to/can hunt.
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 18, 2010 7:26:09 GMT -5
That "tradition" angle sounds like a smokescreen to me, if reducing the herd is their true goal then shortening the most productive season to do it in is totally counterproductive to the goal. The bow hunters sure as hell won't be able to pick up the slack, even if they hunted all through the seasons.
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Post by elmo on Aug 20, 2010 22:54:28 GMT -5
Wow, It is hard for me to believe that anyone can look at the chart and not summize that the deer are moving more between 10/29 and 11/15. I don't think that there is that much more pressure to push them, but if that is what makes them move during that time but not after (when gun season is normally in) then we should move the season forward.
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Post by elmo on Aug 20, 2010 22:55:40 GMT -5
full moon? what?
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 21, 2010 15:29:06 GMT -5
Dang, Just for fun, couldnt you have thrown "Holloween" in as a choice? ROFL!
(got a image of me DUCKING, yet? LOL!)
Back to being serious. Im' pretty much split up the middle on it to tell the truth.
I do NOT like EITHER as well as leaving it the heck alone. One has the holidays and the other "normally" is in more of the rut......a toss up IMHO.
That said, the week BEFORE our current opener seems to constantly provide me with more sightings of bucks running does. Does make me wonder a bit on THAT for a firearm season.
Just my curiousity getting the best of me though. God Bless Steve
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Post by deerman1 on Aug 21, 2010 17:59:04 GMT -5
Dang, Just for fun, couldnt you have thrown "Holloween" in as a choice? ROFL! (got a image of me DUCKING, yet? LOL!) Back to being serious. Im' pretty much split up the middle on it to tell the truth. I do NOT like EITHER as well as leaving it the heck alone. One has the holidays and the other "normally" is in more of the rut......a toss up IMHO. That said, the week BEFORE our current opener seems to constantly provide me with more sightings of bucks running does. Does make me wonder a bit on THAT for a firearm season. Just my curiousity getting the best of me though. God Bless Steve If I get your drift you do not like what they are offering "I do not as well" !! You also do not like where it is now !! "I do like it there " If this is the case I do not know why you disslike it catching the tail of the rut after all the hunters are out there to shoot some deer that includes bucks as well . What is fair is fair I bow hunt too but I do see the importance of hunters having some excitement and success inside what is left of the rut .In other words the rut should not belong solely to just bow hunters because fair is fair if gun hunters get moved out of the last week or so of rut bow hunters should be moved forward out of the start of it . I hope you see my argument here it is not like anyone is struggling or the state is low on bucks or does we have way way more than enough deer to go around the successful deer hunter 10 fold .You will never be able to fix W/T deer hunting to the point everyone gets a chance at a big buck .Honestly way more than half the hunters out there do not hunt well enough or in the right areas to get that chance let alone seal the deal with a clean killing shot . IMHO what I have written is honest factual and to the tee what this whole issue is about. And if I miss read you I am sorry but I think that Gun season should in all honesty come in On the first whole weekend after the 5th of Nov. Just my two cents then leave it in till ML opens up the after the last day of Nov.
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Post by speckle on Aug 22, 2010 15:12:11 GMT -5
Woody did you ever find me the day and night accident report?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 22, 2010 15:32:34 GMT -5
Woody did you ever find me the day and night accident report? No sir.. I never even went looking for it as I have repeatedly tried to explain to you it does not matter. What this showing, day or night, is that this is the time of the year that deer move more. Being a deer hunter you should know thattoo, right?
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 22, 2010 15:37:31 GMT -5
Think I worded that wrong?? lol "If I get your drift you do not like what they are offering "I do not as well" !! You also do not like where it is now !! "I do like it there " My quote "I do NOT like EITHER as well as leaving it the heck alone. " is meant as just leave it alone INCLUDING leaving it 16 days starting the same time as it has and not shorten it. I did poorly wording that is seems. I mean I can see pros and cons to both starting dates MOSTLY because they are shorter and just cant include all the options that they do combined. (did I make it worse? lol) Literary giant I am not. Sorry God Bless additionly, I agree with your quote here. If MOVING it (leaving length ALONE..... earlier would be BETTER IMO!! "but I think that Gun season should in all honesty come in On the first whole weekend after the 5th of Nov" and what I was refering too in the last part about me being curious what hunting wed have if it WAS earlier but still and all the length IMO shouldnt be shortened.
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Post by speckle on Aug 22, 2010 17:17:51 GMT -5
Yes woody I know that. I also know you can't hunt them at night when they move more.
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