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Post by steve46511 on Aug 5, 2010 8:47:27 GMT -5
"Not a lot of difference shooting does with fawns on the ground vs. fawns in their belly. Those on the ground just take two or three shots instead of one." Quite true. My point is not the number of deer kiilled shooting a doe in the summer.......the issue is the fawns starving to death. Totally unneeded and non justifiable to (at least) people Ive grown up with.
Rarely does a farmer not take the venison, locally, and it's equally as rare for them to have the time to take out of their day to take care of a deer they could easily shoot themselves, even if they had the know how or wanted to spend the money to get it done by others.
Just my opinion and my suggestion for those wishing to attempt it..... and do not mean to present this as an argument. Not all farmers will have the same results, of course.
God Bless Steve
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Post by posiedon on Aug 5, 2010 18:44:24 GMT -5
I am an owner of land, and see no problem if the State was to start a program like so many others where you get a tax break for basically turning your land into public hunting land. If you don't want them its simple don't sign up, if you do you get the tax break. I for one will never lease my property to ANY individual because there are too many good local guys that have lost all there land to hunt. No offense to leasers or those that lease, but leasing IMO is ruining the sport. It use to be if you were a good neighbor you were able to hunt as far as you could walk around your house. Now you can't go off your property, because so and so leases that and that and that and that. It is America though and it is the land owners choice. Until Obama is done at least.
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Post by thecommissioner on Aug 6, 2010 7:09:27 GMT -5
If there is a program to reward landowners with incentives to allow the public to hunt their land, I expect the tract will have to be a minimum size, therefore all landowners may not be permitted to participate. That could get into unequal treatment. I'd like to see how other states manage this kind of program.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2010 7:57:58 GMT -5
Ky. has one and the limit is 5,000 acres. You'll find that small or very small parcels of land will not withstand public hunting pressure.
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Post by boonechaser on Aug 6, 2010 8:53:54 GMT -5
Like anything there are good and bad. To say most leassor's are "hunting for big one" only i disagree with. I know several guy's who long term lease and manage their properties. That includes the number one management tool for shooting "big bucks" getting your buck/doe ratio as close to 50% as possible. So that means shooting alot of does in early years of lease and keeping tabs to what the deer herd is doing in your area. I'm sure their are some guy's that give leasing a bad name, but I think more are probably doing things right. Leasing is more than just shelling out money. You got to have a plan for what your trying to accomplish. And maintaining a good relationship with the landowner is just common sense.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 7, 2010 17:17:59 GMT -5
Like anything there are good and bad. To say most leassor's are "hunting for big one" only i disagree with. I know several guy's who long term lease and manage their properties. That includes the number one management tool for shooting "big bucks" getting your buck/doe ratio as close to 50% as possible. So that means shooting alot of does in early years of lease and keeping tabs to what the deer herd is doing in your area. I'm sure their are some guy's that give leasing a bad name, but I think more are probably doing things right. Leasing is more than just shelling out money. You got to have a plan for what your trying to accomplish. And maintaining a good relationship with the landowner is just common sense. I doubt there are very many (if any) folks on here that lease a large enough tract to be able to effectively manage the herd on it. That requires a very large amount of property.
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Post by boonechaser on Aug 9, 2010 9:15:25 GMT -5
I disagree. You can and know several guys that do well on smaller tracts. 80 to 150 acres. I have 150 acre's and have couple neighbor's that have similair idea's and magt goals. We control about 500 acres total. We are going on 6 years. Last year on 3 farms 165 in, 150 in and 2 130 inch deer were taken. And i've allready been watching 2- 150 plus incher's this summer. Basically we don't shoot button bucks. We don't shoot 1.5 and 2.5 year old bucks and we try to shoot are fair share of does. First couple years a bunch. I think 25 one year. Been averaging about 10 to 14 last couple year's. All 3 farms have food plots, mineral licks and alot of cover to keep deer on properties. Sure some deer go to neighboring properties and get shot. Happen's. But each year it keeps getting better and better.
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