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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 12:02:35 GMT -5
Would you support emergency antlerless seasons this year? Same time frames as proposed. The IDNR Director has it in his power to issue emergency rulings and could issue one this year for the October and December antlerless hunts. That would be a jump start IF these proposals were adopted next year. It would also give the IDNR some valuable harvest information on whether these antlerless only seasons will have any or enough herd reduction impact or not. That could be very valuable in determining if there is a need to make any other changes. The harvest data would be gathered in time for the NRC meetings the first of next year. Show that we can kill enough in the special antlerless season and they just might leave the gun and MZ seasons alone.  A jump start might also might appease Rep. Friend and his coharts.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 12:09:20 GMT -5
If you say yes and support this in the field, your buying in lock, stock and barrel that an emergancy exsists.
I could support it if they would first drop plans to submit the proposed changes, desolve the present "stakeholder" group panel, and approve a meaningful crossbow expansion.
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 24, 2010 17:44:11 GMT -5
Not in 2010, or 2011. Me and the wife took a 30 mile drive last evening looking for deer. We never once seen a blacktop road. Rural Pike county driving, Passed 1000's of acres of soybean fields. I know it hot as the Dickens, but it was right before sun down and prime feeding time for deer. We were thrilled to see a total of 3 deer. Prior years past we wouldn't even try counting I'm not seeing the need for any reduction at this time or in 2011. Granted other parts of the state maybe, but not here.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 20:06:50 GMT -5
whiteoak,
Pike county is a 3 bonus this year.
Hopefully it will stay that way.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 24, 2010 20:22:28 GMT -5
Interesting thought....but I've been told that the director wont issue any emergency order for any part of this. It will stand or fall on it's own
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 24, 2010 20:34:13 GMT -5
whiteoak, Pike county is a 3 bonus this year. Hopefully it will stay that way. Is there an updated list. My 2009-2010 hunting-trapping guide shows pike county as 4. I do know Pike county deer hunters have been pretty vocal in the last couple years and have have been trying to do something about the liberal doe tags in this county. What is Warrick, Gibson and Dubois listed as? The guide I have all listed as 4 |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 20:36:12 GMT -5
whiteoak, Pike county is a 3 bonus this year. Hopefully it will stay that way. Is there an updated list. My 2009-2010 hunting-trapping guide shows pike county as 4. I do know Pike county deer hunters have been pretty vocal in the last couple years and have have been trying to do something about the liberal doe tags in this county. Clcik on the Hunting Guide cover on the main page It is te 2010-2011 guide. It saya that Pike is a 3. Warrick is a 4. |
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 25, 2010 6:47:30 GMT -5
I guess I'm inclined to agree with timex.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 26, 2010 12:35:25 GMT -5
I had to vote neutral because I just DON'T TRUST the NRC folks. Fire em all!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Decatur on Jul 26, 2010 13:00:31 GMT -5
I'm still undecided. Waiting to read other peoples angles on this before I vote.
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Post by jjas on Jul 26, 2010 13:20:23 GMT -5
I don't think killing a bunch of antlerless deer and/or reaching the mystical 60/40 doe/buck kill ratio will do it.
What we'll end up with is some areas practically devoid of deer and other areas that are still having too many deer/vehicle collisions.
Why? Because all the legislation in the world won't get hunters access to the areas that really need the deer thinned out if the property owners won't allow access.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jul 26, 2010 15:25:35 GMT -5
Makes little if no sense to call an emergency hunt when I see no emergency.
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Post by jjas on Jul 26, 2010 15:27:55 GMT -5
In 2009-2010 there were 64 counties that had a bonus doe quota of either 8 or 4. This year that number has jumped to 72 counties. That's almost 80% of the state.
There are only 6 counties in the entire state that have a 1 bonus antlerless quota.
82 counties have a 3 bonus antlerless quota or above. That's 90% of the state.
This after 5 straight years of kills averaging 128K and the last two years both being record setting kills of 130K and 133K respectively. This is nearly a 20% increase over the previous 5 years.
Wonder how many more 8's and 4's there will be for 2011-2012?
That's why I question what it will take to satisfy the legisla....err.....DNR.
And I still contend that the vast majority of the deer/vehicle collision issues are in areas that hunter access is the number one issue.
And all the quotas and extra antlerless seasons (even for 100% of the state) won't fix that.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 26, 2010 15:45:09 GMT -5
In 2009-2010 there were 64 counties that had a bonus doe quota of either 8 or 4. This year that number has jumped to 72 counties. That's almost 80% of the state. There are only 6 counties in the entire state that have a 1 bonus antlerless quota. 82 counties have a 3 bonus antlerless quota or above. That's 90% of the state. This after 5 straight years of kills averaging 128K and the last two years both being record setting kills of 130K and 133K respectively. This is nearly a 20% increase over the previous 5 years. Wonder how many more 8's and 4's there will be for 2011-2012? That's why I question what it will take to satisfy the legisla....err.....DNR. And I still contend that the vast majority of the deer/vehicle collision issues are in areas that hunter access is the number one issue. And all the quotas and extra antlerless seasons (even for 100% of the state) won't fix that. Can you post that where it wont get buried here. Maybe even a new thread? That is some good information. |
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 26, 2010 17:13:14 GMT -5
If there was a true emergancy Yes I could support one but I do not feel its even a problem outside a few urban areas and cities.
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 26, 2010 18:27:30 GMT -5
whiteoak, Pike county is a 3 bonus this year. Hopefully it will stay that way. I hope it stays that way to. What is disturbing is that I can jump in my truck and be in Gibson county in about a 1 minute drive from my drive way and it's an 8 bonus county. I live right on the Pike- Gibson line. Actually my home is situated within 10 minutes of the Warrick line also. |
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 26, 2010 21:46:30 GMT -5
They could put 32 on each country, and a hunter isn't going to kill anymore than what he would normally kill. Although i could understand the state increasing a county's antlerless permits by a few just to give the X amount of hunters that would be willing to take that many does. They really need to make urban areas an unlimited amount of does and bucks, since this is the area (i suppose) would be the area in which the majority of car/deer accidents happen. Also I would like to see them make the Youth season an unlimited amount of does, and take the buck tag out of the Youth only season.
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 28, 2010 19:13:25 GMT -5
"They could put 32 on each country, and a hunter isn't going to kill anymore than what he would normally kill"
That's accurate for this area where I hunt for the most part. Of the hunters I know whom have a use for more than one or two, few are whining because they didnt "kill as many as they wanted".
While SOME do and can, how many people do you know by percentage WANT more than 2 or 3 deer annually?
I have to agree that if they opened the WHOLE of ALL the seasons up to no limit on does.......the kill wouldnt go up that much.
What limits the kill per person is the number they want to pay for tags, spend the time hunting, have the time TO hunt, want to butcher and USE.
Yes there is the places to donate meat but not too many go out and keep hunting FOR donations, needed or not.
another 2 cents added is all
God Bless
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Post by INDeerhunter on Jul 29, 2010 13:06:26 GMT -5
I havent voted, still questionin it. I do agree that the majority of deer/vehicle collisons have a lot to do with hunters not being able to get access by landowners where the deer need to be thinned as stated above. I also think that the " hunters helping famrers " program needs more support, I have signed up for it last yr and this yr and I didnt recieve one call, email, txt or anything ! I have tried countless farms and landowners in my area to get permission and the vast majority simply say that they dont allow hunting or they willlease their land to me for some ridiculous prices !!! It doenst seem to matter what the number by county is hunters arent going to take 8 xtra does and they arent going to take deer where they need to be taken when we can gain access to private proerty in the areas that need it ! The hunters helpin farmers program to me is a joke in itself most farmers arent going to call up a stranger and say " hey how bout u come shoot a bunch of deer on my property " they are either going to do it themselves, have someone they know do it or if they let u shoot a couple b4 season they wont let u hunt during the deer season which then is going to make it where less hunters want to even apply for the program when they can take a buck or hunt the property instead they are only allowed to shoot some does in the hottest part of the season, Its a lost cause ! IMO
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Post by INDeerhunter on Jul 29, 2010 13:09:49 GMT -5
I realize the question ask for the poll had nothing to do with the "hunters helpin farmers" program but I thought I would add my 2 cents on that program since if hunters could gain access to private farms in the areas where the deer need thinned by using that program it would help control the herd, but even with that program in place we are still not gaining access to the private land in which deer/vehicle collisons are happening ! Just wanted to clear that up lol
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