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Post by deerman1 on Jul 12, 2010 16:29:12 GMT -5
So fellas with the new rule proposals looking like they will pass and become the law of the deer woods here what do ya think ? Are the good old days of deer hunting gone ,now ,or yet to come ,or gone when the new deer rules pass?
I still say that the good old days of deer hunting are long gone .But the new deer rules will make it a chore and a a giant huddled mass of hunters trying to fill their tags all at once not to mention the fact that the guns blazing at every deer in the wood in Oct. Doe season and the Youth hunters before that the deer will be tougher than ever before for all hunters to take.
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Post by indianahick on Jul 12, 2010 16:38:19 GMT -5
Deer hunting in Indiana is being gutted with the new rules. This will be my last year.
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Post by jjas on Jul 12, 2010 17:07:21 GMT -5
If you are a trophy bowhunter, the best years "might" lie ahead.
You have the youth season and an early October season with people killing antlerless deer in droves during the hottest part of the season.
Come the rut, the bucks will likely have to move a bit more to find girlfriends and that translates into more opportunities for trophy hunting w/a bow (especially since the gun hunting public won't be in the woods until a week later than normal).
So as a trophy bowhunter, I could buy one tag a year, let everyone else spend their money on bonus tags and do the work of herd management while I reap the benefits.
The only way I don't see this working is if people don't buy the tags and kill the does and/or if button bucks get slaughtered in the process.
We'll see what happens.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Jul 12, 2010 17:08:52 GMT -5
Every day I get to be out there with a friend or family member hunting whitetail is a " good ol' day " imo ! Even with the new rules in place I will still be out there every chance I get and with whatever they say I can use until they tell me I can no longer go at all !!! I enjoy the outdoors, venision on the table, and great memories with firends and family to let rule changes make me bitter to the point I hang it up !
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Post by parson on Jul 12, 2010 17:20:36 GMT -5
Having very limited opportunities to get away, and being a gun hunter, I have to say that, if enacted, these new rules will be nothing but negative for me.
But, then again, the logic is that I'll kill more deer in fewer days, right?
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 12, 2010 18:22:41 GMT -5
I voted about to be gone but the reality is it's been heading that way for awhile now.
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Post by danf on Jul 12, 2010 19:01:22 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I think I'd rather have the hunting up here in New Hampshire (very few deer) over what's being proposed for Indiana. The good old days are gone for me.  |
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Post by js2397 on Jul 12, 2010 19:18:40 GMT -5
Gone because it has become to political.
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Post by tenring on Jul 12, 2010 20:36:07 GMT -5
Gee, I'll have 7 1/2 days to hunt in November [T-day gone] have to drive an extra 220 miles for the extra trip back down, give up some possible days in the rut where the bucks keep the does moving past my spot, yeah that's going to help Mr. Friend reduce the deer/vehicle accident in northern Indiana. I'm so happy I could just ****! Weeeee, we have an Obama plan right here in River City.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 12, 2010 21:27:54 GMT -5
Well how things have changed in just a few months. I guess like Woody and HH I have seen enough change to the sport before this new stuff it was already gone for me .Welcome to what has been happening at a slower pace so as most of you felt very little change over the years but this got your attention because it was soo much at once .But I beleive had this stuff happened one or maybe two things every year or two we would not see most of the hunters worked up like they are and it would just be normal witha little inconveinance is all .I guess I just notice and remember the changes over the years more than most since they all have bothered me over about the last 15 years or so .
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 13, 2010 2:31:25 GMT -5
What has me worried is what's going to be next. First we had the OBR forced upon us by the special interest groups and antler worshipers thinking this would put a BC buck behind every tree. Now we have the proposal of shortening the firearm season and moving it out of the best time to be in the woods. My question is, What new rules will these special interest groups -antler worshipers come up with next when still they are not producing BC bucks every year. For them to say these new rule are for the better of our deer herd is a joke.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 13, 2010 6:43:36 GMT -5
Yup! They will be gone for me. Even though I hunt with bow, ml, pcr, & shotgun the anticipation & sleepless night before the opening weekend of firearms leaves a sick feeling in my gut. Opening weekend of firearms season is like the Superbowl to me as the rut activity is normally at it's peak. Traditional pre-scheduled vacations plans are screwed. If the weather is bad with reduced days to hunt we are screwed. Deer processers are screwed if they are unaware of the changes that traditionally postphone their livestock butchering for the opening weekend of firearms season. Thanksgiving weekend is screwed for traditional family travelling & feasts. Check-In stations typically have shorter holiday hours & a reduced holiday workforce so we will have to waste valuable hunting time getting a deer checked-in. Traffic & car/deer collisions will be a mess with all of the holiday/hunter traffic. Campgrounds & motels will be bursting at the seams. Horse riding, off-roading, & hiking areas will be greatly affected if they are unaware of the season changes. Some folks will be in a hunting frenzy to fill a firearms tag like it is the last weekend of the good old days firearms season when they make shooting decisions that they normally would not make.
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 13, 2010 6:58:10 GMT -5
So fellas with the new rule proposals looking like they will pass and become the law of the deer woods here what do ya think ? Who says that they're going to pass at all? Nothing is carved in stone until IDNR carves it, and those same silly proposed changes have been shot down every single year for as far back as I can remember. IDNR will not institute any change that they feel restricts their ability to do their job effectively, and unlike allowing OBR reducing the gun and ML days will directly impact herd numbers in a bad way. Every year these two get proposed, and every year IDNR shoots them down. This year they're also considering broadening the types of firearms that will be allowed, including possibly high powered centerfire rifles like other states. That doesn't sound like they plan to shorten the gun seasons to me. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 13, 2010 8:13:31 GMT -5
So fellas with the new rule proposals looking like they will pass and become the law of the deer woods here what do ya think ? Who says that they're going to pass at all? Nothing is carved in stone until IDNR carves it, and those same silly proposed changes have been shot down every single year for as far back as I can remember. IDNR will not institute any change that they feel restricts their ability to do their job effectively, and unlike allowing OBR reducing the gun and ML days will directly impact herd numbers in a bad way. Every year these two get proposed, and every year IDNR shoots them down. This year they're also considering broadening the types of firearms that will be allowed, including possibly high powered centerfire rifles like other states. That doesn't sound like they plan to shorten the gun seasons to me. Kevin, The difference is this IS an IDNR proposal, not an individual's or a special interest organized hunting group's proposal- as was in the past. Yes, these schemes ALWAYS got shot down as it was stated that they limited the IDNR's ability to manage the deer herd. Not sure what has changed in the few years since then, except a change in the wildlife management. It appears that the IDNR Fish and Wildlife has bought into the trophy hunter's sales pitch. This is way too much at one time. I firmly believe that just tweaking our present system would be much better and a lot less intrusive on the deer hunters in this state. A week (9 days) or two separate weekends of antlerless in October and the one proposed in December would more than likely get the job done. If not extend it more the next season. These proposals are throwing the baby out with the bath water on what the admitted just “may” work. The IBA asked the IDNR to not have a 9 day antlerless season in October and only go with a 2 day hunt. The IBA said if that didn't work then increase the days down the road. IOW - go slow. The IDNR bought into that. Then why are they going big time in the gun season? Because there was no one there that stuck up for the gun hunters. Why wasn’t a longer antlerless season proposed for the October time frame? I talked to a deer biologist before this all came out and he said that 2 days was not enough. Were we worried about offending the bowhunter group? I thought that all of the stakeholders were there at the meetings to put aside their “personal preferences” and strive to help out the IDNR and the perceived deer population problem? Instead, according to the meeting minutes, they asked for “no changes in the archery season.” Some of us do not have that much time to deer hunt to begin with so every day that we have is precious. One nasty weather weekend in these newly proposed shortened firearm or muzzleloader seasons and we are down to just one weekend to get the job done. Yes, much too big of a jump all at once.. IMO - We and the herd loses... |
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Post by tenring on Jul 13, 2010 9:30:24 GMT -5
Throw out all the proposals, and have a doe only season from Oct. 8-Oct. 16, and see how many are taken. Baby steps to gauge results. Remember the old saying, "the man asked for a drink of water, and some fool dumped a 5 gallon bucket of water on him."
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 13, 2010 9:34:46 GMT -5
Throw out all the proposals, and have a doe only season from Oct. 8-Oct. 16, and see how many are taken. Baby steps to gauge results. Remember the old saying, "the man asked for a drink of water, and some fool dumped a 5 gallon bucket of water on him." I understand that there was a 9 day in October anterless season talked about and the bowhunters asked that to be cut to a 2 day hunt and IF that didnt work to increase it down the road. Now they are "baby stepping" on that season, why take gigantic leaps on the gun season? |
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Post by drs on Jul 13, 2010 10:01:41 GMT -5
These younger Hunters on here will never see the Sport of Hunting as us older Hunters grew-up with.
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 13, 2010 10:50:27 GMT -5
For me being a bowhunter the good ole days are now. We manage number deer taken on our farm and have about a 50/50 ratio buck to doe. Took a walk last night on 150 acre's. Saw 24 deer 10 bucks 12 does and 2 fawns. Didn't cover the whole farm but mainly checked food plot's and alfalfa feilds. My concern on shortning firearm's is we may see a increase in doe population. If so we will have to take more doe's, but on the flip side more bucks should survive and being a trophy hunter thats a good thing. I do understand the frustration that many of you are voicing and I do not think that shortning firearm's season is the answer to lowering our deer population. I hate to see less days afield for any particular group but do like the idea of moving opening firearm's season back out of rut. Should allow more bucks to survive and grow to older age classes.
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Post by tenring on Jul 13, 2010 11:49:20 GMT -5
Then move the bow season back out of the rut, fair is fair.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 13, 2010 12:09:28 GMT -5
Who cares if bucks get older? We are supposed to be managing our herd, and according to the IDNR, we have too many deer, so buck age SHOULD be irrelevant!
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