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Post by swilk on Jul 12, 2010 10:41:30 GMT -5
Im not defending the current system or how it works ..... just saying if you want your voice heard (assuming you disagree with what is going on) then you need to at least play the game.
Do whatever it takes.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 12, 2010 10:47:47 GMT -5
I wasnt implying that woody wouldnt be truthful ..... just seems unreasonable to ask any man to lobby for something they didnt believe in or want. Yes, that would suck!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 12, 2010 11:35:27 GMT -5
It is still only 2-3% of the licensed deer hunters in the state. That is pretty weak turn out. Lot better than the couple dozen heads of organized groups...right? As long as the survey is scientifically valid who cares if it is 2 or 3%?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 12, 2010 11:44:47 GMT -5
My question above had nothing to do with Woody's integrity or character ..... please dont read that into it. It was just a genuine question. Woody does not set policy at this site and try to make the members think the way he does nor does he make them want the same things he wants. That is a good thing. I never took it that way at all.. I have sent the NRC and the IDNR polls that we conducted here. I told them that these were internet poll and not scientifc BUT it was one member one vote and only members voted. Yes, I can verfiy IP addresses.. If I had dfifference of opinion with the HI members wants and was representing them I would say "This is the results of what the members want" I would give them total numbers pro and con, which some "organized groups" don't do. They give "we support" or "oppose" and MIGHT give a percentage.. very few give raw numbers. Why? It might ruin their "perception". If my stand was different then I would say," This is how I feel."
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Post by recon33alpha on Jul 12, 2010 11:47:06 GMT -5
Its not really about how many completed the survey, more on the information that is obtained by those who do/did!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 12, 2010 11:47:28 GMT -5
As far as the IBA or the IDHA .... I have no idea about those organizations. If membership is that low I assume that each member at least had the opportunity to cast a vote. If not .... then there is something really, really wrong with the organization. I attended the NRC AC "deer meeting" last July and the IDHA spokesperson said," I'm representing a core group of the active members of the IDHA". Does that sound like they polled all members?
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Post by swilk on Jul 12, 2010 12:21:34 GMT -5
When a survey is given and you know the results will be going to the IDNR for consideration ..... put that in the survey wording.
Maybe you already do and I just havent been paying attention.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 12, 2010 12:45:08 GMT -5
When a survey is given and you know the results will be going to the IDNR for consideration ..... put that in the survey wording. Maybe you already do and I just havent been paying attention. I know that it has been mentioned a time or two but not on every poll posted. Believe it or not I don't post every poll. IF the IDNR said on the cover letter of their bi-annual surveys to Indiana deer hunters that the results wil be used to determine policies adn regulations then I'd bet that they would get a better response. I know that I have never got a survey form them in 41 deer seasons. Maybe they dont want to know my opinion..
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 12, 2010 13:37:33 GMT -5
Was a memeber of IDHA and IBA for 10 plus year's and that's why i finally quit. Seemed to me then that a click of about 10 guy's ran the show and their opionion's were all that mattered. Doubt that has changed much. Probably same ten people running the show.
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Post by swilk on Jul 12, 2010 14:08:59 GMT -5
? I thought you had a couple dozen aliases on here?? You mean all those polls arent you? j/k.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 12, 2010 16:46:33 GMT -5
Here is a little deer /sportsmans club constitution and Idea that has been in the works now as Woody can attest to since we spoke of this a few months back .Look at the club mission statment and constitution and rules tell me what you all think about this . I have been keeping this quiet till I could talk with enough of the right people to form up and roll .I see no reason that there can not be a North and a South branch of this club! Attachments:
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Post by Decatur on Jul 12, 2010 16:46:53 GMT -5
Do you have any interest yet?
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 12, 2010 16:48:20 GMT -5
This is the mission statement to the club/organization I been working on .
The Federation of Deer hunters of Indiana
Mission Statement It is with great forethought and conviction by the founders of this federation of Deer hunters that we now form this group to represent the average Deer hunters of all counties of the great state of Indiana. We wish to keep the tradition of deer hunting alive and represent at state, and local level all deer hunters. We aspire to set in council with the powers that set game laws and shape this state’s deer herd by legislation. We stand as a force of like minds against those who would impede or disrupt the traditions of deer hunting in the state of Indiana. All deer hunters from every walk of life and age are welcome to join the FDHI. Any weapon type, any season, or all weapons and all season’s .Quality deer managers, or Trophy Deer managers as well as those who wish to take any deer or as many as they see fit under the game laws of Indiana. It is our wish to stem the tide of greed Driven by personal goals or the private agendas of those who set game law. Also to stop cold those who would limit or take away seasons or remove hunting opportunities, or limit what a tag holding hunter may take by size age or sex to suit themselves. We wish to grow as a organization and represent every hunter that has the ideals of fairness of average hunters that do not hold themselves and their wants above the needs of the deer herd in this state or above the desires of his fellow hunters to enjoy the deer hunting experience on their own hunting ground be it public ground or a private farm owned by the hunter. We want to form friendships between hunters not drive them apart, we wish to educate new hunters and those with questions and share ideas among other hunters .To share a common voice and have a place to meet with like minded people for fellowship .
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 12, 2010 16:50:46 GMT -5
Do you have any interest yet? Yes it is getting some I have been very selective with who I have spoken to as I want to get a good feel of the real feelings of hunters and how involved that they are willing to get. I have not gone public at all up till now though and let me make this clear it is still in the whomb as it were it is not born yet !! But it is starting to form a shape. ;D
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Post by Decatur on Jul 12, 2010 16:52:36 GMT -5
And here is the mission stament to the club/organization I been working on . The Federation of Deer hunters of Indiana Mission Statement It is with great forethought and conviction by the founders of this federation of Deer hunters that we now form this group to represent the average Deer hunters of all counties of the great state of Indiana. We wish to keep the tradition of deer hunting alive and represent at state, and local level all deer hunters. We aspire to set in council with the powers that set game laws and shape this state’s deer herd by legislation. We stand as a force of like minds against those who would impede or disrupt the traditions of deer hunting in the state of Indiana. All deer hunters from every walk of life and age are welcome to join the FDHI. Any weapon type, any season, or all weapons and all season’s .Quality deer managers, or Trophy Deer managers as well as those who wish to take any deer or as many as they see fit under the game laws of Indiana. It is our wish to stem the tide of greed Driven by personal personal goals or the private agendas. Also to stop cold those who would limit or take away seasons or remove hunting opportunities, or limit what a tag holding hunter may take by size age or sex to suit themselves. We wish to grow as a organization and represent every hunter that has the ideals of fairness of average hunters that do not hold themselves and their wants above the needs of the deer herd in this state or above the desires of his fellow hunters to enjoy the deer hunting experience on their own hunting ground be it public ground or a private farm owned by the hunter. We want to form friendships between hunters not drive them apart, we wish to educate new hunters and those with questions and share ideas among other hunters .To share a common voice and have a place to meet with like minded people for fellowship . Looks ok. May want to do a grammar check on it tho.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 12, 2010 16:57:22 GMT -5
And here is the mission stament to the club/organization I been working on . The Federation of Deer hunters of Indiana Mission Statement It is with great forethought and conviction by the founders of this federation of Deer hunters that we now form this group to represent the average Deer hunters of all counties of the great state of Indiana. We wish to keep the tradition of deer hunting alive and represent at state, and local level all deer hunters. We aspire to set in council with the powers that set game laws and shape this state’s deer herd by legislation. We stand as a force of like minds against those who would impede or disrupt the traditions of deer hunting in the state of Indiana. All deer hunters from every walk of life and age are welcome to join the FDHI. Any weapon type, any season, or all weapons and all season’s .Quality deer managers, or Trophy Deer managers as well as those who wish to take any deer or as many as they see fit under the game laws of Indiana. It is our wish to stem the tide of greed Driven by personal personal goals or the private agendas. Also to stop cold those who would limit or take away seasons or remove hunting opportunities, or limit what a tag holding hunter may take by size age or sex to suit themselves. We wish to grow as a organization and represent every hunter that has the ideals of fairness of average hunters that do not hold themselves and their wants above the needs of the deer herd in this state or above the desires of his fellow hunters to enjoy the deer hunting experience on their own hunting ground be it public ground or a private farm owned by the hunter. We want to form friendships between hunters not drive them apart, we wish to educate new hunters and those with questions and share ideas among other hunters .To share a common voice and have a place to meet with like minded people for fellowship . Looks ok. May want to do a grammar check on it tho. Yha I likely brought up the wrong unfinished copy !! Sorry I deleated and brought up the fixed version .
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Post by parson on Jul 12, 2010 17:27:33 GMT -5
Sounds interesting.
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