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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 11, 2010 7:52:47 GMT -5
Well, what happens when the next guy offers the farmer $6 an acre? then who is the farmer going to let hunt? Again you're not changing my mind an I'm not changing yours
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 11, 2010 8:01:04 GMT -5
Anyone who makes money doing any leaseing of hunting ground or outfitting in this state or any other should be taxed just like any other bussines.
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Post by drs on Jul 11, 2010 8:05:32 GMT -5
Anyone who makes money doing any leaseing of hunting ground or outfitting in this state or any other should be taxed just like any other bussines. Land owners already pay Property Tax & Insurance. Taxing them on their "land use" would not be prudent.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 11, 2010 8:20:53 GMT -5
Anyone who makes money doing any leasing of hunting ground or outfitting in this state or any other should be taxed just like any other bussines. Land owners already pay Property Tax & Insurance. Taxing them on their "land use" would not be prudent. Why not ??As a farmer I get taxed on cash crops grown on my land or the live stock I sell .It is a business period no other way to look at it .If they are not paying the taxes on what they get profits from then they are part of the economic problems here and a tax evader .
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Post by duff on Jul 11, 2010 8:31:36 GMT -5
Anyone who makes money doing any leaseing of hunting ground or outfitting in this state or any other should be taxed just like any other bussines. Land owners already pay Property Tax & Insurance. Taxing them on their "land use" would not be prudent. He wasn't talkig about taxing the land owners for their land. It is taxing them for any income. If you sell product grown from your land you are taxed on your profits, money earned from a lease is no different. I have permission to hunt land from a guy I just met last year. I still have permission to hunt land from guys I've known my whole life. To say the only way you can hunt in Indina is to own, lease, or hunt public is just not so. Still plenty out there that will let you hunt just for helping and being a decent person. Sorry guys I've never had to go without a private hunting spot, and I have moved away from home and still found property to hunt. Good luck guys, hang in there, develop relationship with the land owners be it from shooting yotes, trapping coons other vermin, work on their land for them, or many other things out there. It is frustrating losing land but it happens, just don'tgive up.
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Post by duff on Jul 11, 2010 8:33:15 GMT -5
Yea what Deerman1 said.
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Post by drs on Jul 11, 2010 9:26:43 GMT -5
He wasn't talkig about taxing the land owners for their land. It is taxing them for any income. If you sell product grown from your land you are taxed on your profits, money earned from a lease is no different. I seriously doubt if that extra income is reported. Most likely the Hunter gives the landowner cash, unless the landowner advertises his land for lease to paying Hunters, then he would have to report the income.
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Post by hoosier on Jul 11, 2010 11:02:11 GMT -5
it is a right in your ground by ownership, just like mineral rights, guess you are taxed on the income from it, I don't believe that coal for instance is seen as a "public treasure". Again, the game animals of the state are written as belonging to the people of the state. Not so with coal, natural gas, etc. A coal deposit is incapable of moving across a property line unlike a game animal (one reason for the game animal's public ownership status). Not trying to single you out freedomhunter. In reading the responses here, I wish all would read my original post slower and more carefully. I understand that income taxes are paid by those profiting with leasing out ground and outfitting. Fine, but, when removing publicly owned resources to make those profits, why are income taxes the only responsibility of the leasors and/or outfitters? Is it not illegal to sale legally harvested game animal meat? I think that is the case. If so, what do you believe the logic (ideal?) to be for that law? Think about it.
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Post by duff on Jul 11, 2010 11:16:38 GMT -5
If they are selling that particular animal I think you have a point. but they are not, they are selling the rights to access their land or the right to hunt. All a person needs to hunt is the license or to own the ground they hunt on. I don't believe that should change based on leasing or use of a guide service.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 15:05:47 GMT -5
ifa farmer is depending on lease money to keep him afoat hes not going to be in buisseness very long
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2010 19:43:27 GMT -5
Anyone who makes money doing any leaseing of hunting ground or outfitting in this state or any other should be taxed just like any other bussines. True...if you bush hog your neighbors field and charge him $20 your supposed to pay taxes on it. No difference except that no ones demanding that it happens...yet
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 11, 2010 20:08:21 GMT -5
Anyone who makes money doing any leaseing of hunting ground or outfitting in this state or any other should be taxed just like any other bussines. True...if you bush hog your neighbors field and charge him $20 your supposed to pay taxes on it. No difference except that no ones demanding that it happens...yet There is a huge differance from some guy or kid making $20,00 mowing ther tax would say be $1.00 or so now if you just made $1000.00 up to $5000,00 I have seen many leases in this range now its real money anywhere from $100.00 up too $500.00 now say 500 or 1000 land owners do not claim it how much did we just loose in taxes that the rest of always seem to make up for with every new tax law.
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Post by tenring on Jul 11, 2010 21:21:13 GMT -5
Depends on whether or not you could deduct the payment for the lease from your tax filing, if not, pay the person in cash. Former President Reagan did mention that as the "underground economy." Lowers the cost in the end. Not that I would ever suggest depriving Uncle Sugar of his just due.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2010 7:17:30 GMT -5
[ There is a huge differance from some guy or kid making $20,00 mowing ther tax would say be $1.00 or so now if you just made $1000.00 up to $5000,00 I have seen many leases in this range now its real money anywhere from $100.00 up too $500.00 now say 500 or 1000 land owners do not claim it how much did we just loose in taxes that the rest of always seem to make up for with every new tax law. When you complete a Farming tax form, there is a place for every kind of income (and expense) that you can imagine.....including paying for rent or leases of land or renting out or leasing land. I'd bet that most farmers are reporting any large sums of money they recieve from leases or rents. Of course, any of the profit from a lease can also be offset by any expenses from that tract of land......the difference is the income not the whole lease price. I receive several 1099's on some of the tracts we have under lease each year, so reporting or not reporting is not an option. As for additional taxes for outfitters or leasers, if anything, we should get an exemption or rebate of some sort....after all, we help people find places to hunt and take some of the load off of public hunting properties. Anybody for that?
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Post by swilk on Jul 12, 2010 7:25:24 GMT -5
I lease hunting rights on my property to a couple of friends .... and I claim that income. Setting it up this way allows me to deduct some of the property improvements that I do.
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