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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 10:18:25 GMT -5
I firmly believe the landowners will take care of the "reduction" in their own way. They have done it before when the DNR was slow in giving out doe permits, and are quite capable of doing it again. Coyotes tend to clean up the mess very quickly. Sorry Woody this sounded like a threat of poaching to me but maybe I'm wrong. I know There will be some futile attempt to defend it but thats what it looked like. I also realize people are peeved but my god, some of the things that have been throwed out there are kinda childish. Gun season isn't really shorter if you add the new season dates is it?Buck hunting season is... Yes it is and that is what they wanted. Take away buck hunting day and replace them with doe hunting days. We can kill thirty bazillion does right now and only one buck so the IDNR in it's infinite wisdom says,"Let's cut back the buck hunting days (move it too) and add more doe hunting days". I'm here to tell you deer hunters will only kill so many does. Just like in another thread deer hunting will start to become WORK and that ain't good. Yes, there is some reneging going on and who can really blame us? We can kill more does without taking away buck hunting days. Can not any of you all see that? What happened to the October season that could have been 9 days and two weekends? Or maybe just two separate weekends? I'll tell you what. The IDNR did a deep bow to the bowhunters group that basically said," Leave our season alone". This is all being orchestrated by the ISR who is headed up by the IBA legislative liaison. Bet on it.
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Post by tenring on Jul 9, 2010 10:18:44 GMT -5
Poaching is technically correct, but twenty some years ago, it was done by landowners on a large scale to protect their livelihood. One farmer I talked to was miffed at having to fix or replace tractor tires due to the damage done by dropped antlers lying in his fields. Depredation hunts are just another means of localized and targeted tracts of land that need extra attention during a time of less human beings in the field. As a teenager, I spent a lot of summers in farmers hay and soybean fields attending to reducing the ground hog population as they were considered nuisance animals. Deer in SE Indiana are simply called " them no good SOB's."
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Post by vectrix on Jul 9, 2010 10:19:36 GMT -5
I firmly believe the landowners will take care of the "reduction" in their own way. They have done it before when the DNR was slow in giving out doe permits, and are quite capable of doing it again. Coyotes tend to clean up the mess very quickly. Sorry Woody this sounded like a threat of poaching to me but maybe I'm wrong. I know There will be some futile attempt to defend it but thats what it looked like. I also realize people are peeved but my god, some of the things that have been throwed out there are kinda childish. Gun season isn't really shorter if you add the new season dates is it?Buck hunting season is... The majority of all bucks killed during firearms comes from opening weekend and then gradually declines after that. If you don't have it done by then it probably aint gonna happen anyway. ML season hunting food sources is usually better for buck hunting than the last week of firearms anyway, and yes that is a fact. Half the guys I see complaining about this change claim to be meat hunters and that is a fact too. Funny how that all changes when this came up. It's also funny how the phrases "record book chasers" - "elite hunters" - "15 minutes of fame" and "I'm not a trophy hunter" are thrown out there by the same guys and they are the loudest ones screaming losing rut time. I do not agree with some of these changes either but I'm still a deer hunter and still respect the animal I hunt.
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Post by drs on Jul 9, 2010 10:21:33 GMT -5
Remember the "good 'ole Days" when it was Bucks only and the Doe were off limits unless you were hunting at Crane Depot.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 10:26:13 GMT -5
By the way - I think every one on here that says that they wont hunt these special doe seasons would have no problem doing that IF the DNR asked them to and LEFT THE BUCK HUNTING DAYS ALONE.
Most deer hunters knows that the herd has to be controlled and would be more than willing to help out. But taking away something very precious to most of us and then asking us to particpate in doe hunts is a little presumptious on their part. Throw in that the IDNR basically falling for the trophy hunter's plans stinks to high heaven.
They want our help and then take something away from us? Poor planning on their part.
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Post by UrbanArcher82 on Jul 9, 2010 10:33:55 GMT -5
By the way - I think every one on here that says that they wont hunt these special doe seasons would have no problem doing that IF the DNR asked them to and LEFT THE BUCK HUNTING DAYS ALONE. Most deer hunters knows that the herd has to be controlled and would be more than willing to help out. But taking away something very precious to most of us and then asking us to particpate in doe hunts is a little presumptious on their part. Throw in that the IDNR basically falling for the trophy hunter's plans stinks to high heaven. They want our help and then take something away from us? Poor planning on their part. I just dont understand why you are throwing the word "us" in there. The dnr isnt out to screw you over or take anything from you. There trying to strengthen the bucks herd by moving the orange army outta the rut. The doe hunts are to get some more does out but you are acting like there asking you to do them a favor. They probably thought hunters would enjoy those hunts?
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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 10:38:37 GMT -5
Buck hunting season is... The majority of all bucks killed during firearms comes from opening weekend and then gradually declines after that.
Yes it does. So the antlerless kill percentage really picks up that last week. So what does the IDNR do? Cuts that week off. If you don't have it done by then it probably aint gonna happen anyway.
No doubt that in the second week there is "not as many as there was awhile go" (my apologies to Johnny Horten), but it is still enjoyable to hunt thise bucks that we might still figure out and/or luck into. This is NOT about killing bucks, it is about time afield in pursuit of bucks. BTW - This week will revert back to bow only. Ya think they will just stay home as "If you don't have it done by then it probably aint gonna happen anyway." ?
ML season hunting food sources is usually better for buck hunting than the last week of firearms anyway, and yes that is a fact.
Then why is it that in the muzzleoader season there is 80% antlerless deer taken? Oh, yeah, the IDNR cut that back too. Us muzzleloader hunters should be rewarded for killing that many does, not have something taken away from us.
I do not agree with some of these changes either but I'm still a deer hunter and still respect the animal I hunt.
What does respect for the hunt have to do with voicing dipleasyre at having soemthing taken away form us?
The IDNR is basically asking for our help and punishing us by taking way time in the field. Sorry, but that just does not make sense to me at all.
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Post by UrbanArcher82 on Jul 9, 2010 10:42:24 GMT -5
The majority of all bucks killed during firearms comes from opening weekend and then gradually declines after that.
Yes it does. So the antlerless kill percentage really picks up that last week. So what does the IDNR do? Cuts that week off. If you don't have it done by then it probably aint gonna happen anyway.
No doubt that in the second week there is "not as many as there was awhile go" (my apologies to Johnny Horten), but it is still enjoyable to hunt thise bucks that we might still figure out and/or luck into. This is NOT about killing bucks, it is about time afield in pursuit of bucks. BTW - This week will revert back to bow only. Ya think they will just stay home as "If you don't have it done by then it probably aint gonna happen anyway." ?
ML season hunting food sources is usually better for buck hunting than the last week of firearms anyway, and yes that is a fact.
Then why is it that in the muzzleoader season there is 80% antlerless deer taken? Oh, yeah, the IDNR cut that back too. Us muzzleloader hunters should be rewarded for killing that many does, not have something taken away from us.
I do not agree with some of these changes either but I'm still a deer hunter and still respect the animal I hunt.
What does respect for the hunt have to do with voicing dipleasyre at having soemthing taken away form us?
The IDNR is basically asking for our help and punishing us by taking way time in the field. Sorry, but that just does not make sense to me at all. Punishing??? really think there out to screw you over? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 10:44:06 GMT -5
By the way - I think every one on here that says that they wont hunt these special doe seasons would have no problem doing that IF the DNR asked them to and LEFT THE BUCK HUNTING DAYS ALONE. Most deer hunters knows that the herd has to be controlled and would be more than willing to help out. But taking away something very precious to most of us and then asking us to particpate in doe hunts is a little presumptious on their part. Throw in that the IDNR basically falling for the trophy hunter's plans stinks to high heaven. They want our help and then take something away from us? Poor planning on their part. I just dont understand why you are throwing the word "us" in there. The dnr isnt out to screw you over or take anything from you. There trying to strengthen the bucks herd by moving the orange army outta the rut. The doe hunts are to get some more does out but you are acting like there asking you to do them a favor. They probably thought hunters would enjoy those hunts? Supposedly this has nothing to do with "trying to strengthen the bucks herd". Where did you get that at? This was supposed to be ALL about reducing the herd, not "trying to strengthen the bucks herd." They ask a favor in reducing the herd by killing more does and in the meantime take away buck hunting days from the gun hunters, that you name call by calling them the "orange army". I'm sure that since you are an archer you are all for it as it doesn't impact you in any way. In fact it opens up more rut days for you. Enjoy your ill gotten gain.
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Post by barton174 on Jul 9, 2010 10:45:27 GMT -5
By the way - I think every one on here that says that they wont hunt these special doe seasons would have no problem doing that IF the DNR asked them to and LEFT THE BUCK HUNTING DAYS ALONE. Most deer hunters knows that the herd has to be controlled and would be more than willing to help out. But taking away something very precious to most of us and then asking us to particpate in doe hunts is a little presumptious on their part. Throw in that the IDNR basically falling for the trophy hunter's plans stinks to high heaven. They want our help and then take something away from us? Poor planning on their part. I just dont understand why you are throwing the word "us" in there. The dnr isnt out to screw you over or take anything from you. There trying to strengthen the bucks herd by moving the orange army outta the rut. The doe hunts are to get some more does out but you are acting like there asking you to do them a favor. They probably thought hunters would enjoy those hunts? Maybe I'm not "in the know," but I thought we were overpopulated with both bucks and does?? Yes, buck population does exactly Dick to overall deer population, but why, from a strictly management standpoint, would they want to "strengthen the bucks herd"?? Are we having so few bucks that we're getting bad genetics and deformed or weak young? Why would I want to sit in a stand on 01Jan when it's 10 degF, and watch meat walk past, but because it has bone sticking out of its head, I can't eat it? I wouldn't mind watching them walk past earlier in the season, when it's 35-40F in the mornings, though, and I'm not already burnt out on hunting for the year... Mike
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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 10:47:26 GMT -5
Punishing??? really think there out to screw you over? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Yep. They are biting the hand that feeds them.
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Post by UrbanArcher82 on Jul 9, 2010 10:49:29 GMT -5
I just dont understand why you are throwing the word "us" in there. The dnr isnt out to screw you over or take anything from you. There trying to strengthen the bucks herd by moving the orange army outta the rut. The doe hunts are to get some more does out but you are acting like there asking you to do them a favor. They probably thought hunters would enjoy those hunts? Supposedly this has nothing to do with "trying to strengthen the bucks herd". Where did you get that at? This was supposed to be ALL about reducing the herd, not "trying to strengthen the bucks herd." They ask a favor in reducing the herd by killing more does and in the meantime take away buck hunting days from the gun hunters, that you name call by calling them the "orange army". I'm sure that since you are an archer you are all for it as it doesn't impact you in any way. In fact it opens up more rut days for you. Enjoy your ill gotten gain. Well i am right there with the orange army when gun comes in. and whether or not its suppose to protect the buck herd or not, it is. the october hunts and new laws for the youth hunt should bring in alot of harvest. I also dont see why you are grouping people as bow or gun hunters when alot of people are both?
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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 11:02:19 GMT -5
Supposedly this has nothing to do with "trying to strengthen the bucks herd". Where did you get that at? This was supposed to be ALL about reducing the herd, not "trying to strengthen the bucks herd." They ask a favor in reducing the herd by killing more does and in the meantime take away buck hunting days from the gun hunters, that you name call by calling them the "orange army". I'm sure that since you are an archer you are all for it as it doesn't impact you in any way. In fact it opens up more rut days for you. Enjoy your ill gotten gain. Well i am right there with the orange army when gun comes in. and whether or not its suppose to protect the buck herd or not, it is. the october hunts and new laws for the youth hunt should bring in alot of harvest. I also dont see why you are grouping people as bow or gun hunters when alot of people are both? Just how much more "protection" does the buck herd need? We are limited to ONE and the state wants us to kill a ton of does. Last time I read any QDM stuff does and bucks are still being born at about the same rate - plus we have been killing more antlerless deer every year for a long, long time. How about just make bucks off limits for three or four years? How is that for "protection?" Maybe..if so why was a shortened and moved gun season needed?
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Post by mhorrigan on Jul 9, 2010 11:03:22 GMT -5
It just seems to me there might be better ways to meet the objective rather than shortening the gun seasons? Why not target specific areas/counties during gun season and say that a doe must be taken prior to a buck? It could be a combo license in which a buck tag is not issued until a doe is checked? I just hate seeing opportunities afield shortened. I like bow, I like both gun seasons. All offer a different experience. I hate to see them reduced.
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Post by stevein on Jul 9, 2010 11:06:01 GMT -5
If that was the reason why allow any hunting during the rut? Who is they? DNR or "Stake Holders"? Also Huntington Co has 2 large reservoirs that do not honor bonus tags. Will they be open during the special seasons. I know a lot of guys that hunt that ground. I do not doubt there are areas that seriously need herd reduction. But there are several areas that are way down compared to the past.
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Post by js2397 on Jul 9, 2010 11:25:23 GMT -5
BTW... did I miss the "poach button bucks" post? I firmly believe the landowners will take care of the "reduction" in their own way. They have done it before when the DNR was slow in giving out doe permits, and are quite capable of doing it again. Coyotes tend to clean up the mess very quickly. Sorry Woody this sounded like a threat of poaching to me but maybe I'm wrong. I know There will be some futile attempt to defend it but thats what it looked like. I also realize people are peeved but my god, some of the things that have been throwed out there are kinda childish. Gun season isn't really shorter if you add the new season dates is it? I see where you might have thought that poaching but where did you get poaching button bucks. There are less days by four and fourteen for bucks.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 9, 2010 11:40:00 GMT -5
Heck before you know it we will go to an NRC lottery system for deer hunting for resident & non-resident tags & the non-residents will probably get to draw first!!!!!!!
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Post by tenring on Jul 9, 2010 11:58:05 GMT -5
Heck before you know it we will go to a NRC lottery system for deer hunting for resident & non-resident tags & the non-residents will probably get to draw first!!!!!!! Having seen so many posts from different boards, I thought the feelings of a good friend of mine who now lives in Marion, Illinois might be appropriate. He hates the system over there, it's a draw system by county. Gotta luv Illinois.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 9, 2010 12:03:00 GMT -5
BTW... did I miss the "poach button bucks" post? I firmly believe the landowners will take care of the "reduction" in their own way. They have done it before when the DNR was slow in giving out doe permits, and are quite capable of doing it again. Coyotes tend to clean up the mess very quickly. Sorry Woody this sounded like a threat of poaching to me but maybe I'm wrong. I know There will be some futile attempt to defend it but thats what it looked like. I also realize people are peeved but my god, some of the things that have been throwed out there are kinda childish. Gun season isn't really shorter if you add the new season dates is it? Two totally different subjects. Some landowners are already doing that and that will not change with any new limits or regulations. It is not "poaching" if a deer is taken legally, no matter what it's gender or age.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 9, 2010 12:11:54 GMT -5
I just dont understand why you are throwing the word "us" in there. The dnr isnt out to screw you over or take anything from you. There trying to strengthen the bucks herd by moving the orange army outta the rut. The doe hunts are to get some more does out but you are acting like there asking you to do them a favor. They probably thought hunters would enjoy those hunts? Maybe I'm not "in the know," but I thought we were overpopulated with both bucks and does?? Yes, buck population does exactly Dick to overall deer population, but why, from a strictly management standpoint, would they want to "strengthen the bucks herd"?? Are we having so few bucks that we're getting bad genetics and deformed or weak young? Why would I want to sit in a stand on 01Jan when it's 10 degF, and watch meat walk past, but because it has bone sticking out of its head, I can't eat it? I wouldn't mind watching them walk past earlier in the season, when it's 35-40F in the mornings, though, and I'm not already burnt out on hunting for the year... Mike Excellent point on the frigid weather for us old dudes on blood thinner! ![:-[](http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/images/smilies/new1226/cheers.gif)
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