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Post by mrfixit on Jun 2, 2010 4:57:28 GMT -5
Im sorry but there are more than six weekends and everything else you are saying is ridiculous. ... Is there? You should go back and read the whole thing before going off half cocked.... You may not agree but I'm getting old and cranky and really darn tired of everything single thing a man does being regulated out the arse.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 2, 2010 5:01:42 GMT -5
Despite what we want to believe we would over the coarse of a few years destroy the deer herd in this or any state if we just opened up gun season /bow /whatever season for three or four months. Our deer herd although large is not indestructible we proved this at the turn of the 19th century AD when with very primitive weapons we killed the last of the big game animals in this state there were no deer at all here it took 50 years to grow a decent sized deer herd here after they were reintroduced . Lets face it if every hunter in Indiana killed just 2 deer a year the first year we would kill 500,000 deer and that is just 100,000 or so shy of what is here give Or take .So now how does everyone having all the time and any weapon they want sound now One hunter can legally kill so many deer no matter how many seasons there are. Whether there is three seasons or just one large one you can legally kill 1 buck. The amount of does one hunter can kill is a tad ridiculous but you get the drift, soon the freezer is full or your broke buying tags, either way your still done hunting. What does it matter if its 3 or 4 or only 1 season.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 2, 2010 5:44:27 GMT -5
as a bow -gun whatever season hunter its not the prime time I cherish in early archery and late archery its the QUIET TIME Yep my favorite time is late October. I would definitely miss the quiet time.
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Post by omegahunter on Jun 2, 2010 12:38:24 GMT -5
Best restrictions we have come up with is has to have 8 points OR width out to the ends of the ears. Basket 6? Let it walk. Basket 8? Take it down. Wide 4? Take it out. I would not oppose those restrictions for all antlered, second buck or first.
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Post by Decatur on Jun 2, 2010 12:51:12 GMT -5
Why do we need ANY restrictions? Let people shoot the buck they want to shoot for God's sake!!!!!
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Post by ridgerunner on Jun 4, 2010 16:22:43 GMT -5
I cant say how many shot both but mor often then not I heard the same thing. " I'll shoot any buck with a bow and then wait for a good one with my gun" So with that said I dont know how many people consistantly put down 2 bucks a year. So if you think about those people really wanted a nice buck but since they had 2 buck tags they took their practice buck so at least they had antlers of some sort. Now they have hold out now if they want that "nice one" with a gun. Sorry if this doesnt make any since but this is why the OBR works in my opinion. . I have heard that too about putting one on the ground with a bow and then hunting for a whopper in gun, but how many multi-season deer hunters actually do just that? Jim Mitchell ( Indiana deer biologist at that time) said he though 'maybe' there were 5 to 6 thousand double dippers statewide. Just looking at the antlered deer harvest by equipment and I see a startling revelation: In 2001 the Indiana archery hunter killed 12,275 antlered deer. That is the early and late season combined. On 2001 the Indiana firearm (firearms and MZs) hunters killed 36,082 antlered deer. Since 2002 (OBR) the yearly average (early and late season combined) for archery hunters is: 9,217 antlered deer That is 3,058 LESS antlered deer than in 2001.Since 2002 (OBR) the yearly average for firearm (firearm and MZs) hunters is: 41,562 antlered deer. That is 5,480 MORE antlered deer than in 2001. Please show me where we are saving antlered deer by not allowing the early archery successful hunter to take another antlered deer during the firearm or muzzleloader season. .. Jim Mitchel said at the time that we woud just be transferring the antlered deer harvest from one season (early bow) to another (firearm and MZ). I think these numbers pretty well shows he was right. BTW - the early archery season antlered deer take was on a very steady increase prior to 2002. They were jumping up 1 to 2 thousand every year The early season archers still havent caught up to that 2001 number. 2001 early archery season antlered deer take - 12,016 2009 early archery season antlered deer take - 10,076 One word EHD.....give it a few years an see if that trend doesn't correct itself..many parts of the State were hit hard...you also have to look at the weather, crops in the fields that were not harvested, like 2009 and the corn being in the fields very late etc...predation...many variables to consider to make an iformed decision people.. ...it not that cut and dried.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 6, 2010 8:49:57 GMT -5
The EHD outbreak was in 2008 so it had no effect on the numbers before then.
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Post by racktracker on Jun 6, 2010 13:35:51 GMT -5
I have heard that too about putting one on the ground with a bow and then hunting for a whopper in gun, but how many multi-season deer hunters actually do just that? Jim Mitchell ( Indiana deer biologist at that time) said he though 'maybe' there were 5 to 6 thousand double dippers statewide. Just looking at the antlered deer harvest by equipment and I see a startling revelation: In 2001 the Indiana archery hunter killed 12,275 antlered deer. That is the early and late season combined. On 2001 the Indiana firearm (firearms and MZs) hunters killed 36,082 antlered deer. Since 2002 (OBR) the yearly average (early and late season combined) for archery hunters is: 9,217 antlered deer That is 3,058 LESS antlered deer than in 2001.Since 2002 (OBR) the yearly average for firearm (firearm and MZs) hunters is: 41,562 antlered deer. That is 5,480 MORE antlered deer than in 2001. Please show me where we are saving antlered deer by not allowing the early archery successful hunter to take another antlered deer during the firearm or muzzleloader season. .. Jim Mitchel said at the time that we woud just be transferring the antlered deer harvest from one season (early bow) to another (firearm and MZ). I think these numbers pretty well shows he was right. BTW - the early archery season antlered deer take was on a very steady increase prior to 2002. They were jumping up 1 to 2 thousand every year The early season archers still havent caught up to that 2001 number. 2001 early archery season antlered deer take - 12,016 2009 early archery season antlered deer take - 10,076 One word EHD.....give it a few years an see if that trend doesn't correct itself..many parts of the State were hit hard...you also have to look at the weather, crops in the fields that were not harvested, like 2009 and the corn being in the fields very late etc...predation...many variables to consider to make an iformed decision people.. ...it not that cut and dried. I think you have it bass ackwards.. The numbers Woody pasted shows an INCREASE in bucks killed in totals and the gun season with a decline on the bow season. Any EHD affects would effect BOTH the bow and gun season. There is no doubt we would have killed more if there had not been two EHD epidemics, but that would have been in both the bow and gun season. More so in the gun season. There is not doubt in my mind that this OBR was a buck kill transfer from early bow season to gun season. The numbers prove it. There are way too many gun hunters that are happy with any buck to let that 115” two year old walk by him on opening morning.
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Post by ccdeer1960 on Jun 8, 2010 14:39:19 GMT -5
Havent been around Indiana for a while did they change ? or gonna change the one buck rule?
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Post by gibby4 on Jun 21, 2010 9:46:42 GMT -5
I'm for my kids to be able to shot a buck during youthday!!!! I would rather a youth enjoy the excitment!!
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Post by Decatur on Jun 21, 2010 11:31:03 GMT -5
Your kids can shoot bucks starting with this youth season.
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Post by tenring on Jun 23, 2010 12:47:44 GMT -5
If you want quiet time, put some ear plugs in.
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Post by OLE ROD on Jun 25, 2010 21:56:58 GMT -5
What did you vote Woody since you started this mess.I know we have had antler restrictions on or second buck for a few years now in Georgia and I can't tell if has helped or not,But I think Indiana's OBR has really helped as far as Killing big Bucks.I read on another site that there had been more B.C.Bucks turned in than ever before in 2009. I love Hunting in Indiana but I would love to see yall move Gun Season back about a week,out of the rut.
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 25, 2010 22:34:13 GMT -5
What did you vote Woody since you started this mess.I know we have had antler restrictions on or second buck for a few years now in Georgia and I can't tell if has helped or not,But I think Indiana's OBR has really helped as far as Killing big Bucks.I read on another site that there had been more B.C.Bucks turned in than ever before in 2009. I love Hunting in Indiana but I would love to see yall move Gun Season back about a week,out of the rut. If we did that you would almost never get a crack at a true Indiana giant with a gun. Gun hunters should share what is left of the rut same as bow hunters .Besides for the most part it dont matter after the first weekend of gun anyways in most areas. ;D
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