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Post by swilk on May 31, 2010 18:02:45 GMT -5
I am lucky and get to hunt about every weekday evening before the time change. I have a very understanding wife who doesn't mind me going about every weekend too. A full week vacation usually taken the week before gun season opens.
Isn't there a Guy on this site who hunts almost everyday from sunup to sundown? I love to hunt but I don't think I could do that even if I had the choice.
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Post by deerman1 on May 31, 2010 18:38:33 GMT -5
134 days of some sort of deer season and it's rush rush rush...lol Hmmmmm well some of us has to work for a living so let us count the days a working man has to hunt. There is 6 weekends of bow season. That's 12 days if you don't attend church or have nothing else planned or any family events to attend. So let's subtract a few days what do ya say? Let's make it easy and go with 6 days although I would venture most working family men have things to do on many more than 6. Gun season rolls around and it's three weekends. Well if you attend church on those three weekends that only leaves you with three days. Most have long weekends during the last weekend since it's holiday. One of those two extra days are already taken with family events which leaves you Friday to hunt if your lucky. So you have gained a day and your up to 4 days during all of gun season. If your lucky you might have a day or two of vacation left over you need to use out of your allotted two weeks so lets add a couple for that. So now for all of gun and bow we have been hunting 12 days but no worries muzzle loader is right around the corner. We got three more weekends and we have already burnt our vacation and whatever time we had left so for all of muzzle loader season we get to hunt another three times which means for all of deer season we have hunted all of 15 days. We have spend at least $100 on tags and ammo, and that's going hunting on the cheap. Oh crap I almost forgot, if we still have our bow tag left we can hunt for another weekend so that brings the grand total of days available to hunt to 16. Now let's start subtracting, the first three weekends in October are to darn hot it ain't worth going and now we are back down to about 14 days. If I'm lucky and get to hunt the next 10 years that's about 140 days give or take, about the same amount of time you get to spend every year with your 134 days of hunting. I have to rush to get my 14 days hunting in because I have a life that includes things such as a job, a wife and a family. I certainly envy anyone that gets to spend 134 days every single year in the field hunting. Well I am a working man a demanding factory ,married for 24 years ,have two boys now they have finaly grown up as my youngest graduates from school in one week. I hunt almost any week day evening I want except 6 the whole season. Also If a man wants to hunt he will make time or an effort to do so and will noty be bullied himself or wife into not . Sometime you have to just say I am going . I had two boys who played three sports a year and I coached two of those sports for years, and I played football for a team here in this state as well an still hunted a whole bunch more than 14 or 15 days a season or year . It is like any other thing or hobby a person chooses to do you either want to make time for it or you don't . Plain and simple take a vacation like most hunters I know do for what ever season or week is their favorite time to hunt. Leave work and go hunt tow or three times a week or if you work say seconds get up in the morning and go hunt a couple of hours . Leavwe work an hour early a few days. I never got any pitty from anyone for the things I did not make allowances to do and it would be my guess that you or the story you wrote will not either. .
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Post by Woody Williams on May 31, 2010 18:49:22 GMT -5
LOL...You guys are all over the map. How aboou discussing the topic for awhile?
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Post by ridgerunner on May 31, 2010 20:59:07 GMT -5
LOL...You guys are all over the map. How aboou discussing the topic for awhile? Must be that ADD kicking in...lol
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Post by indianaboy on Jun 1, 2010 0:49:43 GMT -5
I'd of passed that deer up you call a trophy..but if it's a trophy to you that's all that matters..to each his own. Perception has alot to do with it when we discuss OBR and trophy deer..one man's trash is another man's treasure..When I say trophy I'm thinking 150-200 inch deer and up...I personally can say without a doubt OBR has worked well for West Central Indiana..Been hunting for 30 yrs. no doubt in my mind it works...every Gmae Warden I've spoke with also feels it has helped dramatically...you'd think they'd know a liuttle something about deer management and all... Very true. I dont know if the ones that doubt OBR works just dont have the deer like some of the areas or what. Ridgerunner and I hunt in the same area of the state and there is no doubt it has worked here. The major issue with all of this reduction talk is the pricing of tags..bottom line. I am not going to spend all that money on doe tags... Lets get the tags priced right and in 5 years we can start talking about shooting 2 bucks because no matter what we are OBR and will stay OBR more than likely forever. Ever single poll that goes on here for or against OBR is always 50/50. Thats not good enough for a change.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 1, 2010 5:39:42 GMT -5
I never got any pitty from anyone for the things I did not make allowances to do and it would be my guess that you or the story you wrote will not either. . I don't want any freakin' pity I just get sick and tired of hearing how much time we have by retired folks that have nothing else to do but deer hunt. And most of all I want more time available to hunt with any weapon we choose. The current system is archaic and anal retentive, no wonder we aren't harvesting does to our full potential.
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Post by featherduster on Jun 1, 2010 6:32:12 GMT -5
I AM IN FAVOR OF THE O B R. THAT'S THE " ONE RULE ".
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 1, 2010 7:18:48 GMT -5
I'd of passed that deer up you call a trophy..but if it's a trophy to you that's all that matters..to each his own. Perception has alot to do with it when we discuss OBR and trophy deer..one man's trash is another man's treasure..When I say trophy I'm thinking 150-200 inch deer and up...I personally can say without a doubt OBR has worked well for West Central Indiana..Been hunting for 30 yrs. no doubt in my mind it works...every Gmae Warden I've spoke with also feels it has helped dramatically...you'd think they'd know a liuttle something about deer management and all... Very true. I dont know if the ones that doubt OBR works just dont have the deer like some of the areas or what. Ridgerunner and I hunt in the same area of the state and there is no doubt it has worked here. The major issue with all of this reduction talk is the pricing of tags..bottom line. I am not going to spend all that money on doe tags... Lets get the tags priced right and in 5 years we can start talking about shooting 2 bucks because no matter what we are OBR and will stay OBR more than likely forever. Ever single poll that goes on here for or against OBR is always 50/50. Thats not good enough for a change. Actually to "stay" with the OBR would be the "change". The OBR is a TRIAL. If not approved to go with the OBR we will automatically "stay" with the two buck rule - one with archery equipment and one with a firearm. I have to ask the folks that say "the OBR is working in my area", if they really had that many double dippers in their area killing two bucks a year? I mean consistantly killing two bucks a year, not just every now and then. I positively have not seen that much of a change in my area. We are still killing about the same quantity ond quality of deer as before.
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Post by indianaboy on Jun 1, 2010 13:49:01 GMT -5
I cant say how many shot both but mor often then not I heard the same thing. " I'll shoot any buck with a bow and then wait for a good one with my gun" So with that said I dont know how many people consistantly put down 2 bucks a year. So if you think about those people really wanted a nice buck but since they had 2 buck tags they took their practice buck so at least they had antlers of some sort. Now they have hold out now if they want that "nice one" with a gun. Sorry if this doesnt make any since but this is why the OBR works in my opinion. No one is going to convince me other wise. Back to the topic though. If it does go back to 2 bucks then NO I do not think there should be restrictions. If you shoot a 2 yr old spike or a 2 yr old 150" 10pt you still shot a immature deer that didnt make it to full potential so what does it matter.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 1, 2010 14:59:24 GMT -5
I cant say how many shot both but mor often then not I heard the same thing. " I'll shoot any buck with a bow and then wait for a good one with my gun" So with that said I dont know how many people consistantly put down 2 bucks a year. So if you think about those people really wanted a nice buck but since they had 2 buck tags they took their practice buck so at least they had antlers of some sort. Now they have hold out now if they want that "nice one" with a gun. Sorry if this doesnt make any since but this is why the OBR works in my opinion. . I have heard that too about putting one on the ground with a bow and then hunting for a whopper in gun, but how many multi-season deer hunters actually do just that? Jim Mitchell ( Indiana deer biologist at that time) said he though 'maybe' there were 5 to 6 thousand double dippers statewide. Just looking at the antlered deer harvest by equipment and I see a startling revelation: In 2001 the Indiana archery hunter killed 12,275 antlered deer. That is the early and late season combined. On 2001 the Indiana firearm (firearms and MZs) hunters killed 36,082 antlered deer. Since 2002 (OBR) the yearly average (early and late season combined) for archery hunters is: 9,217 antlered deer That is 3,058 LESS antlered deer than in 2001.Since 2002 (OBR) the yearly average for firearm (firearm and MZs) hunters is: 41,562 antlered deer. That is 5,480 MORE antlered deer than in 2001. Please show me where we are saving antlered deer by not allowing the early archery successful hunter to take another antlered deer during the firearm or muzzleloader season. .. Jim Mitchel said at the time that we woud just be transferring the antlered deer harvest from one season (early bow) to another (firearm and MZ). I think these numbers pretty well shows he was right. BTW - the early archery season antlered deer take was on a very steady increase prior to 2002. They were jumping up 1 to 2 thousand every year The early season archers still havent caught up to that 2001 number. 2001 early archery season antlered deer take - 12,016 2009 early archery season antlered deer take - 10,076
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 1, 2010 15:50:18 GMT -5
I never got any pitty from anyone for the things I did not make allowances to do and it would be my guess that you or the story you wrote will not either. . I don't want any freakin' pity I just get sick and tired of hearing how much time we have by retired folks that have nothing else to do but deer hunt. And most of all I want more time available to hunt with any weapon we choose. The current system is archaic and anal retentive, no wonder we aren't harvesting does to our full potential. I agree that the system is broken and I also believe that there is too much worrying about how folks hunt,what they use, or what they shoot in this state .It is a simple hang over from the days when we were careful with every deer harvested to get it counted and added to total yearly take,and when a deer was taken it was a big deal and there was a whole bunch of jealousy back then .But really it is no big deal now but some very young and very old hunters still cling to that time and mind set. But we need seasons and with 90 plus days to hunt with all the weapons we have at our fingers is plenty .If a hunter is just a one season hunter with one weapon and complains about it they need to get some other weapons and hunt more because its is out there to be had.
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 1, 2010 16:00:17 GMT -5
I cant say how many shot both but more often then not I heard the same thing. " I'll shoot any buck with a bow and then wait for a good one with my gun" So with that said I dont know how many people consistently put down 2 bucks a year. So if you think about those people really wanted a nice buck but since they had 2 buck tags they took their practice buck so at least they had antlers of some sort. Now they have hold out now if they want that "nice one" with a gun. Sorry if this doesn't make any since but this is why the OBR works in my opinion. No one is going to convince me other wise. Back to the topic though. If it does go back to 2 bucks then NO I do not think there should be restrictions. If you shoot a 2 yr old spike or a 2 yr old 150" 10pt you still shot a immature deer that didn't make it to full potential so what does it matter. I think you at first glance have a comfortable idea that makes it seem as if your logic is dead on but that said most hunters who would shoot any buck with a bow and wait for a big one with gun are now still just shooting for the most part any buck when they can in gun if the giant does not walk by in bow .I think that the hunter logic has just reversed and they shop in bow now and then shoot anything in gun they can as in their mined it is the last chance for them. Simply look at Woodys numbers and it becomes quite clear that is exactly what they have done now. and I believe it will continue that way as long as the OBR is active.
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Post by beehunter on Jun 1, 2010 16:19:18 GMT -5
I still see the same amount of big uns in the good habitat and and the same amount of small in the marginal habitat. I personally believe that producing big bucks all is about habitat, just my thoughts.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 1, 2010 17:27:52 GMT -5
....But we need seasons and with 90 plus days to hunt with all the weapons we have at our fingers is plenty .If a hunter is just a one season hunter with one weapon and complains about it they need to get some other weapons and hunt more because its is out there to be had. Not to argue just merely wondering why you think there needs to be "seasons"? Why can't we have just one "season"? Why do we have to continually pit the bow hunters against the gun hunters for hunting time? Why do we let ourselves be divided? Why can't we all just be "deer hunters" and not worry about what tool we use. We have bred this anal retentive mindset over the last 20 years for no good reason. I will agree back in the 50's and 60's we needed to be very cautious about killing deer and the "seasons" helped us establish the herd but since the mid 80's it really hasn't been an issue but yet we still hang onto this absurd mindset of bow hunters wanting prime time versus gun hunters wanting prime time. With a well established deer herd why is it necessary and what are the advantages of having "seasons" rather than a "season" of any legal weapon?
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Post by vectrix on Jun 1, 2010 18:40:59 GMT -5
134 days of some sort of deer season and it's rush rush rush...lol Hmmmmm well some of us has to work for a living so let us count the days a working man has to hunt. There is 6 weekends of bow season. That's 12 days if you don't attend church or have nothing else planned or any family events to attend. So let's subtract a few days what do ya say? Let's make it easy and go with 6 days although I would venture most working family men have things to do on many more than 6. Gun season rolls around and it's three weekends. Well if you attend church on those three weekends that only leaves you with three days. Most have long weekends during the last weekend since it's holiday. One of those two extra days are already taken with family events which leaves you Friday to hunt if your lucky. So you have gained a day and your up to 4 days during all of gun season. If your lucky you might have a day or two of vacation left over you need to use out of your allotted two weeks so lets add a couple for that. So now for all of gun and bow we have been hunting 12 days but no worries muzzle loader is right around the corner. We got three more weekends and we have already burnt our vacation and whatever time we had left so for all of muzzle loader season we get to hunt another three times which means for all of deer season we have hunted all of 15 days. We have spend at least $100 on tags and ammo, and that's going hunting on the cheap. Oh crap I almost forgot, if we still have our bow tag left we can hunt for another weekend so that brings the grand total of days available to hunt to 16. Now let's start subtracting, the first three weekends in October are to darn hot it ain't worth going and now we are back down to about 14 days. If I'm lucky and get to hunt the next 10 years that's about 140 days give or take, about the same amount of time you get to spend every year with your 134 days of hunting. I have to rush to get my 14 days hunting in because I have a life that includes things such as a job, a wife and a family. I certainly envy anyone that gets to spend 134 days every single year in the field hunting. Im sorry but there are more than six weekends and everything else you are saying is ridiculous. Thats your decision about family and church, you have to decide what you want. Its not DNR's job to catre to just you and your needs. Indiana has 2 weeks in sept for urban zone, all of Oct, almost all of nov, dec and par tof January and you can't find time? No state just say's go kiil em with what ever you want to, atleast not in the midwest. Most of us work I assume but make the time to hunt, atleast guys who really have a passion for it. I suppose if we are fair weather hunters then we will look for excuses why we can't make it out. Life is always interrupted by plans or other priorities such as work, thats why we have vacation. If you prefer not to take vacation to hunt or would rather be with your family or church than go hunting then that is YOUR decision.
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 1, 2010 18:48:20 GMT -5
....But we need seasons and with 90 plus days to hunt with all the weapons we have at our fingers is plenty .If a hunter is just a one season hunter with one weapon and complains about it they need to get some other weapons and hunt more because its is out there to be had. Not to argue just merely wondering why you think there needs to be "seasons"? Why can't we have just one "season"? Why do we have to continually pit the bow hunters against the gun hunters for hunting time? Why do we let ourselves be divided? Why can't we all just be "deer hunters" and not worry about what tool we use. We have bred this anal retentive mindset over the last 20 years for no good reason. I will agree back in the 50's and 60's we needed to be very cautious about killing deer and the "seasons" helped us establish the herd but since the mid 80's it really hasn't been an issue but yet we still hang onto this absurd mindset of bow hunters wanting prime time versus gun hunters wanting prime time. With a well established deer herd why is it necessary and what are the advantages of having "seasons" rather than a "season" of any legal weapon? Despite what we want to believe we would over the coarse of a few years destroy the deer herd in this or any state if we just opened up gun season /bow /whatever season for three or four months. Our deer herd although large is not indestructible we proved this at the turn of the 19th century AD when with very primitive weapons we killed the last of the big game animals in this state there were no deer at all here it took 50 years to grow a decent sized deer herd here after they were reintroduced . Lets face it if every hunter in Indiana killed just 2 deer a year the first year we would kill 500,000 deer and that is just 100,000 or so shy of what is here give Or take .So now how does everyone having all the time and any weapon they want sound now I personally don't like division and a bunch of seasons any better than you but I would hate to over 3 or 4 seasons loose all or most of our deer herd.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 1, 2010 18:48:25 GMT -5
Oct 31 days, Nov 27 (this year), Dec. 20 days. Urban gets another 14 or 15. That comes up to 92 or 93 to me. Or does that include Western hunting too? Don't really care just surprised at that total. But even without Urban that leaves 78 according to me starting Oct 1 and ending about Dec 23 and dropping 6 days for quiet time. Personally I don't feel rushed. But the ability to choose a daily weapon does sound interesting. Yea you are almost correct I counted the days pf late archery and muzzy seperately by mistake, there is a few late archery days after the 23rd. Ok lets say it this way, counting urban there are 3 1/2 months of season. If you can't get it done in that amount of time then maybe you should find a new sport.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 1, 2010 18:51:24 GMT -5
Not to argue just merely wondering why you think there needs to be "seasons"? Why can't we have just one "season"? Why do we have to continually pit the bow hunters against the gun hunters for hunting time? Why do we let ourselves be divided? Why can't we all just be "deer hunters" and not worry about what tool we use. We have bred this anal retentive mindset over the last 20 years for no good reason. I will agree back in the 50's and 60's we needed to be very cautious about killing deer and the "seasons" helped us establish the herd but since the mid 80's it really hasn't been an issue but yet we still hang onto this absurd mindset of bow hunters wanting prime time versus gun hunters wanting prime time. With a well established deer herd why is it necessary and what are the advantages of having "seasons" rather than a "season" of any legal weapon? Despite what we want to beleive we would over the coarse of a few years distroy the deer herd in this or any state if we just opened up gun season /bow /whatebver season for three or four months. Our deer herd although large is not indistructable we proved this at the turn of the 19th century AD when with very primative weapons we killed the last of the big game animals in this stae there were no deer at all here it took 50 years to grow a decent sized deer herd here after they were reintroduced . Lets face it if every hunter in Indiana killed just 2 deer a year the first year we would kill 500,000 deer and that is just 100,000 or so shy of what is here give orr take .So now how does everyone haveing all the time and any weapon they want sound now I personally don't like division and a bunch of seasons any better than you but I would hate to over 3 or 4 seasons loose all or most of our deer herd. [/quote Greed
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Post by throbak on Jun 1, 2010 19:10:28 GMT -5
as a bow -gun whatever season hunter its not the prime time I cherish in early archery and late archery its the QUIET TIME
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 1, 2010 19:10:44 GMT -5
Not to argue just merely wondering why you think there needs to be "seasons"? Why can't we have just one "season"? Why do we have to continually pit the bow hunters against the gun hunters for hunting time? Why do we let ourselves be divided? Why can't we all just be "deer hunters" and not worry about what tool we use. We have bred this anal retentive mindset over the last 20 years for no good reason. I will agree back in the 50's and 60's we needed to be very cautious about killing deer and the "seasons" helped us establish the herd but since the mid 80's it really hasn't been an issue but yet we still hang onto this absurd mindset of bow hunters wanting prime time versus gun hunters wanting prime time. With a well established deer herd why is it necessary and what are the advantages of having "seasons" rather than a "season" of any legal weapon? Despite what we want to believe we would over the coarse of a few years destroy the deer herd in this or any state if we just opened up gun season /bow /whatever season for three or four months. Our deer herd although large is not indestructible we proved this at the turn of the 19th century AD when with very primitive weapons we killed the last of the big game animals in this state there were no deer at all here it took 50 years to grow a decent sized deer herd here after they were reintroduced . Lets face it if every hunter in Indiana killed just 2 deer a year the first year we would kill 500,000 deer and that is just 100,000 or so shy of what is here give Or take .So now how does everyone having all the time and any weapon they want sound now I personally don't like division and a bunch of seasons any better than you but I would hate to over 3 or 4 seasons loose all or most of our deer herd. [/quote Greed Every person throughout their lives must decide what they want to do and have to do those things when they are available .The world will not change for any man and time waits for no man ever. Make time for all the things we want to do or let them go .
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