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Post by deerman1 on May 29, 2010 9:57:34 GMT -5
" Kill more antlerless Deer...." is still very much in the plan... Forget the moving and shortening of the gun seasons. That will not happen. In fact, we might be looking at extending the gun seasons - firearm and muzzleloader.Maybe....> A couple weekends of firearms in October > Doing away with the "rest period" in December by extending the firearm season > Extending the muzzleoader until the first Sunday in January There will be no talk of a second buck by any stretch.. EAB or antler restricted. I hope your right ......Lets wait and see how many days the "GUN hunter" will have to "SHOOT" his ONE buck in the future vs now "Interesting days lay ahead"......I promise that they will have the same amount of time or more when this is done.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 29, 2010 10:52:07 GMT -5
I hope your right ......Lets wait and see how many days the "GUN hunter" will have to "SHOOT" his ONE buck in the future vs now "Interesting days lay ahead"......I promise that they will have the same amount of time or more when this is done. It will be "Christmas" for someone...
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Post by greghopper on May 29, 2010 11:26:54 GMT -5
I promise that they will have the same amount of time or more when this is done. It will be " Christmas" for someone... muahahahahahaha......Hate to see anyone's X-mas CANCELLED!!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 12:42:44 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if the DNR pushes for drastic changes in season structure or dynamics when they already have the data for what they get now. I'd expect small tweks and adjustments only.
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Post by ridgerunner on May 29, 2010 12:47:30 GMT -5
Another set of examples of TBR management tool the scab buck at 3.5 years old at 218 p LBS with a small tined 8 pt rack . But the trothy buck that well you know and this was almost 23 years ago First the scrub buck Now the trophy buck I'd of passed that deer up you call a trophy..but if it's a trophy to you that's all that matters..to each his own. Perception has alot to do with it when we discuss OBR and trophy deer..one man's trash is another man's treasure..When I say trophy I'm thinking 150-200 inch deer and up...I personally can say without a doubt OBR has worked well for West Central Indiana..Been hunting for 30 yrs. no doubt in my mind it works...every Gmae Warden I've spoke with also feels it has helped dramatically...you'd think they'd know a liuttle something about deer management and all...
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Post by vectrix on May 29, 2010 13:23:19 GMT -5
What happens if they do extend season for gun hunters and next year at this time you have the same guys on here singing the blues about not getting it done and how season is too short and we want to hunt in oct. but not with a bow and the weather was too cold or my wife wants me to stay hom...lol What will that post be called -Dnr should allow rifles and bait? Oh heres another one. -DNR should sell bonus buck tags oh wait a minute they should be free.
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Post by deerman1 on May 29, 2010 13:53:39 GMT -5
I'd of passed that deer up you call a trophy..but if it's a trophy to you that's all that matters..to each his own. Perception has alot to do with it when we discuss OBR and trophy deer..one man's trash is another man's treasure..When I say trophy I'm thinking 150-200 inch deer and up...I personally can say without a doubt OBR has worked well for West Central Indiana..Been hunting for 30 yrs. no doubt in my mind it works...every Game Warden I've spoke with also feels it has helped dramatically...you'd think they'd know a little something about deer management and all... What ever about the trophy thing man they were both trophy deer and the larger of the two was over 140 in at 4.5 years old as 8Pt's . You can blow that I would not of shot them crap all you want to Its BS and you know it. So post your biggies if your gonna bash back it up with proof pal. Here is what a real booner looks like see the pic below . I have plenty of bucks larger than what was posted in the previous posts they were what we in the business call simple "EXAMPLES" . Of management that was going on twenty plus years ago on the private level not state mandated crap. I hate the mine is bigger than yours crap but mine is bigger than yours in this case I am sure . Attachments:
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Post by deerman1 on May 29, 2010 13:54:52 GMT -5
And another one that is in the middle of the pic here Attachments:
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Post by indianahick on May 30, 2010 18:34:36 GMT -5
Does are trophy animals to me. But then again I am a 90% meat hunter. Head bone comes second and way behind. If it has bone fine if not it is not a big deal. 2 bucks no restrictions.
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Post by vectrix on May 30, 2010 19:12:45 GMT -5
I'd of passed that deer up you call a trophy..but if it's a trophy to you that's all that matters..to each his own. Perception has alot to do with it when we discuss OBR and trophy deer..one man's trash is another man's treasure..When I say trophy I'm thinking 150-200 inch deer and up...I personally can say without a doubt OBR has worked well for West Central Indiana..Been hunting for 30 yrs. no doubt in my mind it works...every Game Warden I've spoke with also feels it has helped dramatically...you'd think they'd know a little something about deer management and all... What ever about the trophy thing man they were both trophy deer and the larger of the two was over 140 in at 4.5 years old as 8Pt's . You can blow that I would not of shot them crap all you want to Its BS and you know it. So post your biggies if your gonna bash back it up with proof pal. Here is what a real booner looks like see the pic below . I have plenty of bucks larger than what was posted in the previous posts they were what we in the business call simple "EXAMPLES" . Of management that was going on twenty plus years ago on the private level not state mandated crap. I hate the mine is bigger than yours crap but mine is bigger than yours in this case I am sure . Nice bucks,take it easy I was thinking the same as ridgerunner in the first pics you posted. They did not look like 140 deer to me either but thats how pics are some times. Is that big deer to the right of center the same one in the pic above? Nice bucks man.
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Post by deerman1 on May 30, 2010 20:37:04 GMT -5
What ever about the trophy thing man they were both trophy deer and the larger of the two was over 140 in at 4.5 years old as 8Pt's . You can blow that I would not of shot them crap all you want to Its BS and you know it. So post your biggies if your gonna bash back it up with proof pal. Here is what a real booner looks like see the pic below . I have plenty of bucks larger than what was posted in the previous posts they were what we in the business call simple "EXAMPLES" . Of management that was going on twenty plus years ago on the private level not state mandated crap. I hate the mine is bigger than yours crap but mine is bigger than yours in this case I am sure . Nice bucks,take it easy I was thinking the same as ridgerunner in the first pics you posted. They did not look like 140 deer to me either but thats how pics are some times. Is that big deer to the right of center the same one in the pic above? Nice bucks man. Yes it is it was not a very good pic a bit too bright! His g2s are 14 3/8 and 14 5/8 inches not to bad ;D The big 8 in the nite pic was 142 !/8 and the oldest pic of the day time 8 was almost 20 or 25 years ago he was a solid 132 3/8 and a P&Y quality buck . The part that a whole bunch of guys do not get is getting bucks larger and taking them are two different things but when a person starts out managing they have to start with a specific goal and 25 or 30 years ago a P&Y at 132 + was a great buck in any state . Now with the advanced knowledge all hunters have at their availability its a good deer but not a huge one . That said it is one that every hunter should look at for what it is it is a real good 2.5 year old or good 3.5 year old deer and any hunter who has not take quite a few of those is not ready to tackle the biggies every year they are in for some very long dry spells . It just struck me wrong man. Sorry but I know a line of crap when it is spoken or in this case typed . Sure maybe a hunter who was killing booners every few years would not consider bucks like those trophies. But hay I dont think that any hunter in this state is blowing out constant B&Cs are thay ??!!!??
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Post by vectrix on May 30, 2010 22:13:13 GMT -5
I'm not killing booners every year thats for sure, a 140 is about my gauge in the county I hunt as a "trophy". I can pass a 130 fairly easy with a gun in my hand that's a fact, with a bow I may have to bite my lip and fight alittle. You are correct, when hunting big deer get ready for dry spell's, but thats what makes it fun! I will say this, if you can take a 130 or better buck on a regular basis with a bow each year you are in the top tier of deer hunters.
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Post by deerman1 on May 30, 2010 22:29:45 GMT -5
I'm not killing booners every year thats for sure, a 140 is about my gauge in the county I hunt as a "trophy". I can pass a 130 fairly easy with a gun in my hand that's a fact, with a bow I may have to bite my lip and fight alittle. You are correct, when hunting big deer get ready for dry spell's, but thats what makes it fun! I will say this, if you can take a 130 or better buck on a regular basis with a bow each year you are in the top tier of deer hunters. You are perty much right here I like hunting big boied matrure bucks like those and the like the one I took this year thing is not every deer will have a large trophy rack in fact it is not nearly a s prevalant as most would be big buck hunters or hunters in general think . Most get large bodied and will have an averag rack . Over 140 is tuff to get anywherein Indiana. This buck FD at 214 and was just fine for me this year its not a giant rack but it was a big mature buck. Made me smile. Attachments:
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Post by mrfixit on May 31, 2010 8:00:00 GMT -5
One buck, two bucks, buck restrictions etc., etc., I'm to the point I don't even care anymore just give me more legal time in the field to enjoy the hunt. I'm getting older and I am sick and tired of all the rush, rush, rush every single year. I want more time to spend afield and also time to have a life with my family. I want to slow down a little and actually be able to enjoy the hunt rather than feel rushed. Hunting should be a relaxing sport rather the current hurry hurry hurry time is short type of thing. I truly hope they extend gun and muzzle loader seasons, that would certainly be "Christmas" to me!!
In my perfect world we would have a couple weeks in late September for the kids to jump in and get their feet wet then October 1st deer season starts, any legal weapon, and last until the second weekend in January. All your herd management would be done with tag limitations rather than limiting a man's tool choice. You wake up and want to hunt with your bow you can take it that day. You wake up the next day and decide you want to use your shotgun then you can use it that day. All these freakin "seasons" is a tad ridiculous not to mention just down right anti-American. Where is the freedom of choice when you let the state tell you what tool you can use today? We are way past the "old days" where the herd was on such critical footing we had to be very careful how we let people hunt.
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Post by ridgerunner on May 31, 2010 9:19:15 GMT -5
I'm not killing booners every year thats for sure, a 140 is about my gauge in the county I hunt as a "trophy". I can pass a 130 fairly easy with a gun in my hand that's a fact, with a bow I may have to bite my lip and fight alittle. You are correct, when hunting big deer get ready for dry spell's, but thats what makes it fun! I will say this, if you can take a 130 or better buck on a regular basis with a bow each year you are in the top tier of deer hunters. You are perty much right here I like hunting big boied matrure bucks like those and the like the one I took this year thing is not every deer will have a large trophy rack in fact it is not nearly a s prevalant as most would be big buck hunters or hunters in general think . Most get large bodied and will have an averag rack . Over 140 is tuff to get anywherein Indiana. This buck FD at 214 and was just fine for me this year its not a giant rack but it was a big mature buck. Made me smile. Those are some nice deer.Anyone would be proud of. A trophy can come in any shape or size. It all depends on the hunter. Like someone else said, a doe can be a trophy to one man, or a six point 1.5 yr. buck, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"..I've shot many 120-150 bucks with a bow over the years and each one was a trophy at that the time I shot them, in my mind..but as I look back in hindsight I would likely pass on most of those deer today.. We grow and mature as hunters over the years, it's a journey...You can't dictate to another hunter what's a trophy and what is not..sorry about that...not trying to ruffle any feathers..
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Post by beehunter on May 31, 2010 10:41:34 GMT -5
I agree ridgerunner I am sick and tired of the Booner crowd trying to dictate what size of deer I shoot. The most satisfying deer I ever killed was a small fork horn that I snuck up on and killed in his bed at 12 yds, he never even moved just dropped dead. To me that was one of the best memories I have of deer hunting.
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Post by deerman1 on May 31, 2010 11:40:48 GMT -5
I agree ridgerunner I am sick and tired of the Booner crowd trying to dictate what size of deer I shoot. The most satisfying deer I ever killed was a small fork horn that I snuck up on and killed in his bed at 12 yds, he never even moved just dropped dead. To me that was one of the best memories I have of deer hunting. I agree with you and in fact said so in previous posts" I am sick of guys saying thet thay would not shoot this or that buck or saying that the very same size buck that they killed the previous year or two is not a trophy". That does not fly with me at all . It is where I draw the line especially when they say that they will not shoot that small a buck then shoot one smaller that very same year or the next it is simply a feible attempt to belittle other deer. or make themselves feel better or look better than they are . I am a deer hunter I hunt my hunt as all hunters should do hunt thier hunt . All that has to happen if for a hunter to be happy with what they kill to hell with everyone else becausethey are not in your stand and do not pay your bills or dues!
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Post by vectrix on May 31, 2010 14:02:01 GMT -5
One buck, two bucks, buck restrictions etc., etc., I'm to the point I don't even care anymore just give me more legal time in the field to enjoy the hunt. I'm getting older and I am sick and tired of all the rush, rush, rush every single year. I want more time to spend afield and also time to have a life with my family. I want to slow down a little and actually be able to enjoy the hunt rather than feel rushed. Hunting should be a relaxing sport rather the current hurry hurry hurry time is short type of thing. I truly hope they extend gun and muzzle loader seasons, that would certainly be "Christmas" to me!! In my perfect world we would have a couple weeks in late September for the kids to jump in and get their feet wet then October 1st deer season starts, any legal weapon, and last until the second weekend in January. All your herd management would be done with tag limitations rather than limiting a man's tool choice. You wake up and want to hunt with your bow you can take it that day. You wake up the next day and decide you want to use your shotgun then you can use it that day. All these freakin "seasons" is a tad ridiculous not to mention just down right anti-American. Where is the freedom of choice when you let the state tell you what tool you can use today? We are way past the "old days" where the herd was on such critical footing we had to be very careful how we let people hunt. 134 days of some sort of deer season and it's rush rush rush...lol
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Post by indianahick on May 31, 2010 16:46:48 GMT -5
Oct 31 days, Nov 27 (this year), Dec. 20 days. Urban gets another 14 or 15. That comes up to 92 or 93 to me. Or does that include Western hunting too? Don't really care just surprised at that total. But even without Urban that leaves 78 according to me starting Oct 1 and ending about Dec 23 and dropping 6 days for quiet time. Personally I don't feel rushed. But the ability to choose a daily weapon does sound interesting.
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Post by mrfixit on May 31, 2010 17:21:45 GMT -5
One buck, two bucks, buck restrictions etc., etc., I'm to the point I don't even care anymore just give me more legal time in the field to enjoy the hunt. I'm getting older and I am sick and tired of all the rush, rush, rush every single year. I want more time to spend afield and also time to have a life with my family. I want to slow down a little and actually be able to enjoy the hunt rather than feel rushed. Hunting should be a relaxing sport rather the current hurry hurry hurry time is short type of thing. I truly hope they extend gun and muzzle loader seasons, that would certainly be "Christmas" to me!! In my perfect world we would have a couple weeks in late September for the kids to jump in and get their feet wet then October 1st deer season starts, any legal weapon, and last until the second weekend in January. All your herd management would be done with tag limitations rather than limiting a man's tool choice. You wake up and want to hunt with your bow you can take it that day. You wake up the next day and decide you want to use your shotgun then you can use it that day. All these freakin "seasons" is a tad ridiculous not to mention just down right anti-American. Where is the freedom of choice when you let the state tell you what tool you can use today? We are way past the "old days" where the herd was on such critical footing we had to be very careful how we let people hunt. 134 days of some sort of deer season and it's rush rush rush...lol Hmmmmm well some of us has to work for a living so let us count the days a working man has to hunt. There is 6 weekends of bow season. That's 12 days if you don't attend church or have nothing else planned or any family events to attend. So let's subtract a few days what do ya say? Let's make it easy and go with 6 days although I would venture most working family men have things to do on many more than 6. Gun season rolls around and it's three weekends. Well if you attend church on those three weekends that only leaves you with three days. Most have long weekends during the last weekend since it's holiday. One of those two extra days are already taken with family events which leaves you Friday to hunt if your lucky. So you have gained a day and your up to 4 days during all of gun season. If your lucky you might have a day or two of vacation left over you need to use out of your allotted two weeks so lets add a couple for that. So now for all of gun and bow we have been hunting 12 days but no worries muzzle loader is right around the corner. We got three more weekends and we have already burnt our vacation and whatever time we had left so for all of muzzle loader season we get to hunt another three times which means for all of deer season we have hunted all of 15 days. We have spend at least $100 on tags and ammo, and that's going hunting on the cheap. Oh crap I almost forgot, if we still have our bow tag left we can hunt for another weekend so that brings the grand total of days available to hunt to 16. Now let's start subtracting, the first three weekends in October are to darn hot it ain't worth going and now we are back down to about 14 days. If I'm lucky and get to hunt the next 10 years that's about 140 days give or take, about the same amount of time you get to spend every year with your 134 days of hunting. I have to rush to get my 14 days hunting in because I have a life that includes things such as a job, a wife and a family. I certainly envy anyone that gets to spend 134 days every single year in the field hunting.
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