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Post by deerman1 on May 28, 2010 21:15:23 GMT -5
I am having a hard time understanding that with all the does we are allowed to kill in Indiana why is everyone so obsessed with wanting to kill a second buck.I read nothing but complaints on here about the cost of tags and yet people seem to want another one. I read about people not wanting any kind of restrictions on the second buck so what is the purpose of having to kill it. If you want no restrictions it seems to me that your not any kind of trophy hunter. Whats the point of killing another buck if your going to just cut the antlers off and throw em in the corner. If your looking to fill the freezer shoot some does. They taste alot better anyway. And in my opinion I believe the OBR is what made this state on of the top states in the country for record bucks. The reason is that hunters should feel free to make that determination for them selves honestly its what this country was founded on a high degree of freedom of choice . Also there are some deer at the age of 3.5 that simply if a hunter is into management should be shot that may be a scab buck that always will be here is a pic of a 3.5 year old 4 point no brows he weighed in at 211 lbs feild dressed .I shot him when there was a TBR after I shot the buck in the next pic in the next post these bucks were taken around 12 years ago .This is why there should be no limitation. Attachments:
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Post by deerman1 on May 28, 2010 21:17:24 GMT -5
I am having a hard time understanding that with all the does we are allowed to kill in Indiana why is everyone so obsessed with wanting to kill a second buck.I read nothing but complaints on here about the cost of tags and yet people seem to want another one. I read about people not wanting any kind of restrictions on the second buck so what is the purpose of having to kill it. If you want no restrictions it seems to me that your not any kind of trophy hunter. Whats the point of killing another buck if your going to just cut the antlers off and throw em in the corner. If your looking to fill the freezer shoot some does. They taste alot better anyway. And in my opinion I believe the OBR is what made this state on of the top states in the country for record bucks. The reason is that hunters should feel free to make that determination for them selves honestly its what this country was founded on a high degree of freedom of choice . Also there are some deer at the age of 3.5 that simply if a hunter is into management should be shot that may be a scab buck that always will be here is a pic of a 3.5 year old 4 point no brows he weighed in at 211 lbs feild dressed .I shot him when there was a TBR after I shot the buck in the next pic in the next post .This is why there should be no limitation. Here is my trophy buck you know the one we TBR guys will not shoot when manageing thier bucks on the land they hunt if they can shoot two bucks. Attachments:
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Post by boonechaser on May 28, 2010 21:20:17 GMT -5
The OBR has made the oppurtunities for harvesting a true trophy 140 plus, alittle more realistic than in the past. In 1996 i joined a group called whitetail lobyy inc. who's qoal as i understood it was to lobby for management of trophy deer in indiana. Here we stand 2010 and hey the thing worked. I/we have a better opportunity to harvest a true trophy maybe better than 140. Probably wasn't just that group but deerhunter's as a whole I/WE made a difference . Not just bowhunter's, gunhunter's but deer hunter's. Wheather you are a good orbadhunter if you hunt be young or old we all make a difference. We all have are own idea's some good some bad. I just would like to have the opportunity that I/WE have today verse ten or twenty year's ago. They, some of the older deerhunter's got some changes made to Indiana's deer management agenda's other than just making $$$$. I want to leave it a liitle better for my kid's and there kid's kid's. I'll kill my my nice buck. Do almost almost every year OBR or not. Will you?
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Post by deerman1 on May 28, 2010 21:20:41 GMT -5
Another set of examples of TBR management tool the scab buck at 3.5 years old at 218 LBS with a small tined 8 pt rack . But the trophy buck that well you know and this was almost 23 years ago First the scrub buck Attachments:
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Post by deerman1 on May 28, 2010 21:21:37 GMT -5
Another set of examples of TBR management tool the scab buck at 3.5 years old at 218 p LBS with a small tined 8 pt rack . But the trothy buck that well you know and this was almost 23 years ago First the scrub buck Now the trophy buck Attachments:
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Post by deerman1 on May 28, 2010 21:30:54 GMT -5
The OBR has made the opportunities for harvesting a true trophy 140 plus, alittle more realistic than in the past. In 1996 i joined a group called whitetail lobyy inc. who's qoal as i understood it was to lobby for management of trophy deer in indiana. Here we stand 2010 and hey the thing worked. I/we have a better opportunity to harvest a true trophy maybe better than 140. Probably wasn't just that group but deerhunter's as a whole I/WE made a difference . Not just bowhunter's, gunhunter's but deer hunter's. Wheather you are a good orbadhunter if you hunt be young or old we all make a difference. We all have are own idea's some good some bad. I just would like to have the opportunity that I/WE have today verse ten or twenty year's ago. They, some of the older deerhunter's got some changes made to Indiana's deer management agenda's other than just making $$$$. I want to leave it a liitle better for my kid's and there kid's kid's. I'll kill my my nice buck. Do almost almost every year OBR or not. Will you? I have been doing it for 36 years and the odds were just as good back then as they are now just more deer and more hunters it was all about and will always be all about the hunters and how they manage the land they hunt not some socialistic laws that promise the moon and stars and deliver few.
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Post by cedarthicket on May 28, 2010 21:31:06 GMT -5
If, and I say IF, we hammer the does CONSIDERABLY harder for the next 5 years, but still take the SAME number of antlered bucks each year, it should not come as a surprise that the population of antlered bucks will also decrease. Taking that thought to the extreme, if we kill all the does this year, how many years will it take before we have no antlered bucks?
Regarding the public input before adoption of the OBR rule, I seem to recall that one argument for it was that by limiting ourselves to only one antlered buck per year we would be allowing a few of the bucks that we pass on to be taken by young or less experienced hunters. Thus, it could have a positive effect (to what degree I do not know) on retaining hunters. And, it makes it appear that we are not so selfish when it comes to bagging antlered deer, whether they are spikes, culls, nice 2.5 year old 8 points, or record-breaking monsters.
So, if Indiana is embarking on a serious effort to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the deer herd over the next 5 years (statewide, or just in many selected counties) I believe we should keep the OBR for at least the duration of that deer reduction effort.
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Post by deerman1 on May 28, 2010 21:59:34 GMT -5
If, and I say IF, we hammer the does CONSIDERABLY harder for the next 5 years, but still take the SAME number of antlered bucks each year, it should not come as a surprise that the population of antlered bucks will also decrease. Taking that thought to the extreme, if we kill all the does this year, how many years will it take before we have no antlered bucks? Regarding the public input before adoption of the OBR rule, I seem to recall that one argument for it was that by limiting ourselves to only one antlered buck per year we would be allowing a few of the bucks that we pass on to be taken by young or less experienced hunters. Thus, it could have a positive effect (to what degree I do not know) on retaining hunters. And, it makes it appear that we are not so selfish when it comes to bagging antlered deer, whether they are spikes, culls, nice 2.5 year old 8 points, or record-breaking monsters. So, if Indiana is embarking on a serious effort to SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the deer herd over the next 5 years (statewide, or just in many selected counties) I believe we should keep the OBR for at least the duration of that deer reduction effort. Why ? The buck herd here is in no jepardy at all they will never get the yearly harvests that they want with any of the current proposals on the table just a few thousand more yearly at best!
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Post by boonechaser on May 28, 2010 22:41:08 GMT -5
Deerman1 you obviosily care about our sport. I just don't buy into the DNR's number's. Never have. I/YOU/WE have it better today than we did 30 plus year's ago. I like the current system. Will agree how u hunt, when u hunt, how hard u hunt, and where u hunt will ultimately determine if your successful or not. Like Indiana's liberal season's. Can spend alot of time in wood's. Which to me is what it's all about. Have hunted in Illinois. Got a decent buck. Doubt that majority of Indiana hunter's would like going to a 2 weekend gun season!!!!! Really to me it would'nt matter i'm 90% bow hunter anyway. If still in wood's that late i hunt with bow . 200,000 400,000 or a million whatever number DNR come's up with I don't see those number's correlating in the field for me. I just think DNR want's and alway's will want to make more and more $$$$ ,we as hunter's have to police them. In the end it's just another TAX on something the stae has little to do with.
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Post by deerman1 on May 29, 2010 0:01:07 GMT -5
Deerman1 you obviosily care about our sport. I just don't buy into the DNR's number's. Never have. I/YOU/WE have it better today than we did 30 plus year's ago. I like the current system. Will agree how u hunt, when u hunt, how hard u hunt, and where u hunt will ultimately determine if your successful or not. Like Indiana's liberal season's. Can spend alot of time in wood's. Which to me is what it's all about. Have hunted in Illinois. Got a decent buck. Doubt that majority of Indiana hunter's would like going to a 2 weekend gun season!!!!! Really to me it would'nt matter i'm 90% bow hunter anyway. If still in wood's that late i hunt with bow . 200,000 400,000 or a million whatever number DNR come's up with I don't see those number's correlating in the field for me. I just think DNR want's and alway's will want to make more and more $$$$ ,we as hunter's have to police them. In the end it's just another TAX on something the stae has little to do with. I agree about themore money thing and thefact that the exact number will never be known but we as a state are around 600,000 animals give or take 50 thousand or so , but remember that is spread over 92 counties not a dozen so there will be areas with fewer and some with more I beleive that fore some reason unknown to me that many many central Indiana deer hunters do think that the grass is greener o the other side of the fence and since Muncie is 1:30 hr south east away from me and there is still almost 1:30 minutes left north of me to the MI border . They may feel its better down south but I hunt quite a few counties and really if a hunter has low pressure land with average hunter numbers around them they will likely see big bucks in the very woods that they hunt if they lay off the does compleatly till the rut is over that is how I do it and it has worked for me almost 25 of the 356 years I have deer hunted. Just a thought but maybe this whole every hunter must shoot a whole bunch of does in a lot of areas around the state was and is the wrong aproach for those hunters loooking to kill a big mature buck .They just might get better results by waiting til they shooot a buck after all it is the does that bring the big bucks to trhehunter so with few or none where are the big bucks gona be >>> ? I will tell you spending the majority of the rut on a farm like mine with lots of fat sassy does that is where . Hunters have to be smart enough to know if they are not seeing many doe they need to compleatly lay off for a few years not just one season.It makes all the differance around my farms!
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Post by featherduster on May 29, 2010 5:21:15 GMT -5
This posting should have been captioned "CAST YOUR VOTE AND ARGUE YOUR THOUGHTS TO DEATH".Maybe these pole postings should only be a vote with no place for opinion.
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Post by oneshot on May 29, 2010 6:19:59 GMT -5
This posting should have been captioned "CAST YOUR VOTE AND ARGUE YOUR THOUGHTS TO DEATH".Maybe these pole postings should only be a vote with no place for opinion.
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Post by swilk on May 29, 2010 7:23:31 GMT -5
Im not familiar with past Wisconsin game laws .... was their eab program for the first buck or second? The only thing I am certain of is the fact that no single plan is perfect .... no single plan will work in all situations .... no single plan will work for an indefinite amount if time. I guess that is 3 things .... but anyway. As the needs arise, adjustments must be made to any plan. You say that as the needs arise, adjustments must be made to any plan. Then why do you seem to be holding onto the OBR so tightly. Maybe it's run its course. Maybe it's tine to earn a second no restriction buck. I don't really care that much one way or another, because I do hunt the parks and military refuge. I can and do kill more than 1 buck in most years. Do I seem to be holding on to the OBR? Even though I have said, in this post, that I would support a second EAB? Perhaps you should read more of my posts before coming to a conclusion of what I am and am not holding on to.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 29, 2010 8:26:39 GMT -5
This posting should have been captioned "CAST YOUR VOTE AND ARGUE YOUR THOUGHTS TO DEATH".Maybe these pole postings should only be a vote with no place for opinion. To get an argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc going on any Indiana hunting forum all one has to do is mention the magic word.. OBR
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Post by greghopper on May 29, 2010 9:06:12 GMT -5
To get an argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc going on any Indiana hunting forum all one has to do is mention the magic word..OBR Yeah.....but there maybe and new argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc on the horizon........ Shorten&move Gun Season to "try" and Kill more antlerless Deer....
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Post by deerman1 on May 29, 2010 9:14:40 GMT -5
To get an argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc going on any Indiana hunting forum all one has to do is mention the magic word..OBR Yeah.....but there maybe and new argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc on the horizon........ Shorten&move Gun Season to "try" and Kill more antlerless Deer.... The DNR will not do that now with he questioner back in their hands they got educated to the fact that the overwhelming majority of hunters want it left where and how it sits now . There will be a different plan in the works out side those two factors.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 29, 2010 9:38:18 GMT -5
Yeah.....but there maybe and new argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc on the horizon........ Shorten&move Gun Season to "try" and Kill more antlerless Deer.... The DNR will not do that now with he questioner back in their hands they got educated to the fact that the overwhelming majority of hunters want it left where and how it sits now . There will be a different plan in the works out side those two factors. " Kill more antlerless Deer...." is still very much in the plan... Forget the moving and shortening of the gun seasons. That will not happen. In fact, we might be looking at extending the gun seasons - firearm and muzzleloader. Maybe....> A couple weekends of firearms in October > Doing away with the "rest period" in December by extending the firearm seaosn > Extending the muzzleoader until the first Sunday in January There will be no talk of a second buck by any stretch.. EAB or antler restricted.
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Post by greghopper on May 29, 2010 9:46:16 GMT -5
Yeah.....but there maybe and new argument/debate/ conversation/disagreement/etc/etc/etc on the horizon........ Shorten&move Gun Season to "try" and Kill more antlerless Deer.... The DNR will not do that now with he questioner back in their hands they got educated to the fact that the overwhelming majority of hunters want it left where and how it sits now . There will be a different plan in the works out side those two factors. You may want to hold on to your "HAT"...... Interesting days lay ahead.........
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Post by greghopper on May 29, 2010 9:54:22 GMT -5
The DNR will not do that now with he questioner back in their hands they got educated to the fact that the overwhelming majority of hunters want it left where and how it sits now . There will be a different plan in the works out side those two factors. " Kill more antlerless Deer...." is still very much in the plan... Forget the moving and shortening of the gun seasons. That will not happen. In fact, we might be looking at extending the gun seasons - firearm and muzzleloader.Maybe....> A couple weekends of firearms in October > Doing away with the "rest period" in December by extending the firearm seaosn > Extending the muzzleoader until the first Sunday in January There will be no talk of a second buck by any stretch.. EAB or antler restricted. I hope your right ......Lets wait and see how many days the "GUN hunter" will have to "SHOOT" his ONE buck in the furtue vs now "Interesting days lay ahead"......
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Post by deerman1 on May 29, 2010 9:55:25 GMT -5
The DNR will not do that now with he questioner back in their hands they got educated to the fact that the overwhelming majority of hunters want it left where and how it sits now . There will be a different plan in the works out side those two factors. " Kill more antlerless Deer...." is still very much in the plan... Forget the moving and shortening of the gun seasons. That will not happen. In fact, we might be looking at extending the gun seasons - firearm and muzzleloader. Maybe....> A couple weekends of firearms in October > Doing away with the "rest period" in December by extending the firearm seaosn > Extending the muzzleoader until the first Sunday in January There will be no talk of a second buck by any stretch.. EAB or antler restricted. You are correct the EAB on the first one will not fly so ciertain parties may mention it but thet is all the second buck or second EAB will fall in a few years two three max but it is comming sooner than later thgey have to address it.
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