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Post by huxbux on May 17, 2010 9:49:16 GMT -5
It's getting to where you can't comment about anything on this site where it doesn't degenerate into an argument. Makes a guy not want to post at all.
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Post by drs on May 17, 2010 10:00:36 GMT -5
It's getting to where you can't comment about anything on this site where it doesn't degenerate into an argument. Makes a guy not want to post at all.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2010 10:05:31 GMT -5
It's getting to where you can't comment about anything on this site where it doesn't degenerate into an argument. Makes a guy not want to post at all. I think we get to that sometimes if we are not careful. It would be nice if a everyone that stated an opinion would back it up with facts. Just someone saying -" I'm right and you are wrong" without documentation usually gets the other person going and then it is OFF TO THE RACES.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2010 10:06:53 GMT -5
Since I am looking to scope a gun in the near future -
Are the present Redfields COMPLETELY made in America or not?
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Post by drs on May 17, 2010 10:27:54 GMT -5
Since I am looking to scope a gun in the near future - Are the present Redfields COMPLETELY made in America or not? Here you are, Woody: www.redfield.com/riflescopes/ I have a 30 year old Redfield widefield mounted on my .270 Ruger Model 77 MKII. It was made here in this country.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2010 10:44:16 GMT -5
Since I am looking to scope a gun in the near future - Are the present Redfields COMPLETELY made in America or not? Here you are, Woody: www.redfield.com/riflescopes/ I have a 30 year old Redfield widefield mounted on my .270 Ruger Model 77 MKII. It was made here in this country. It says - "BUILT IN OREGON"I'm not buying a 30 year old scope. I want to know about the present day scopes.
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Post by racktracker on May 17, 2010 11:04:07 GMT -5
Lively discussion you all are having here. From the site referenced. www.charm.net/~kmarsh/brand.html#redfieldRedfieldThe original Denver, Colorado based Redfield shut down in 1998 after a string of environmental problems. The Redfield name is now owned by former competitor Leupold, the name was passed around from optics company to optics company for the past decade. For a while they were essentially higher end Weaver scopes, made in Japan. For 2010 Leupold has reintroduced Redfield scopes in the new Revolution lineup, re-using some old Redfield terminology like Illuminator to describe the lenses. The new scopes are one piece, the MSRP is quite close to the selling price (unlike Leupold's VX-III scopes), and they are priced in the same range as Leupold's VX-I scopes. Lenses are multicoated, not fully multicoated, meaning a combination Multicoated lens or lenses (usually the external ones) and single coated. One unique Redfield feature is the Accu-Range Reticle, for ranging and lost distance shooting. Leupold is offering a lifetime warrany on their Redfield optics products (but not Electronics). Time will tell if these are good scopes, but they now come from a company with a solid reputation for both products and service. The 2010 introductory lineup consists of 2-7x33mm, 3-9x40mm, 3-9x50mm, and 4-12x40mm scopes. The rest this section describes the now defunct Redfield of Denver, Colorado. Like many companies, Redfield went through several incarnations, though they operated the same plant built in 1956-1957 until 1998. Redfield Rifle Scopes, Inc, an Iowa corporation, operated the Denver plant from 1984 through 1998. The US operation last used Japanese optics in US designed and constructed scopes. Redfield pioneered many scope advances in the 50's, 60's and 70's, like optically centered reticles, internal adjustment zooms, crosshairs that maintained their size through power changes (aka second plane reticle), and one piece tubes. During the Viet Nam War era they also provided scopes for the US military to help establish a reputation that they still ride on today. Now, these features are common on even the cheapest scopes. Like most other middle-end brands, they used one-piece scope bodies, that have no threaded joints at the middle to leak. The old Redfield had a strong following among hunters and target shooters. The 3200 and 6400 scopes were state of the art target scopes for their time. When they introduced variable scopes that maintained crosshair visual size on zooming, they couldn't keep them on the shelves. Widefields became popular with knowledgable hunters desiring modern, variable-power scopes, but cognizant of the need to maintain a broad field of view. My last-of-an-era US made Ultimate Illuminator came with an impressive list of Q/A tests performed on it before sale, and I found their Customer Support was very helpful. In its last decade, Colorado-based Redfield often suffered by trying to compete in the low-end market against Pacific-rim made scopes, while variable quality put it a notch below perennial US competitors Burris and Leupold. They attacked the mid-high end again with the Ultimate Illuminator line, but in the end it was the EPA and sloppy shop-keeping that ended the company. If you have an old Colorado Redfield scope, their line-up was something like this. The Tracker was the lowest-end economy scope, sold through Wal-Mart. The Five Star brand spanned the middle-low end, including some pricey, high-magnification varmint models. The Widefield was a step up in price and a unique offering, basically a larger scope with the top and bottom cut off. Illuminators competed directly against Leupold's Vari-X III line, while the Ultimate Illuminators with 30mm tubes/56mm objectives took on European models that no other US company matched features with (at that time). The 2000's era Redfield name (former site linked here) was resurrected by Blount in 2000, and later sold along with Simmons and Weaver to ATK. All three were then owned by Meade. The new Redfield started out with a few Illuminators and 5-stars. By 2002 they had introduced a full line of Trackers (low-end), 5-Stars (low-middle), Widefields (middle-end), and Illuminators (middle-high-end). All were imported from Japan. Curiously, the new Redfield Tracker is not marketed as shockproof, and advertising admits that it does not have a once-piece tube, either. Such honesty is refreshing. We'll see if the marketplace has room for a scope that doesn't claim a lot of stuff it can't deliver. (There certainly is a lot of room for scopes that claim more than they can deliver!) The Redfield website(s) and name were moribund for several periods during the 2000-2009 decade, but held enough value as a placeholder brand for people who habitually buy the same brand and product once a decade, that it got resurrected a few times before finally landing with former competitor Leupold. I am seeing more and more of this "built in America" trying to pass off as "made in America". Just look at the "American cars".
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Post by drs on May 17, 2010 11:25:27 GMT -5
Here you are, Woody: www.redfield.com/riflescopes/ I have a 30 year old Redfield widefield mounted on my .270 Ruger Model 77 MKII. It was made here in this country. It says - "BUILT IN OREGON"I'm not buying a 30 year old scope. I want to know about the present day scopes. I didn't mean you should buy a 30 year old scope, Woody. I was stating that my Redfield Wideview Low Profile 3-9 scope is one I bought 30 years ago and it's still going strong. Now, I just bought a Ruger Model 77 "Hawkeye" Ultralight rifle in .308 Win. & I mounted a 2-7X33 m/m VX-1 Scope on it. Got a Leupold (Shotgun Scope) on my Browning Gold 20 gauge, and a 3-9 Leupold on my Browning A-Bolt also in caliber .308.
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Post by vectrix on May 17, 2010 15:12:02 GMT -5
And since when was being honest about where a company gets some of their parts belittling them? I use Leupold scopes almost exclusively ..... doesnt matter to me that some of their parts come from Europe/Japan/China. Not taking sides but I know Swik owns at least one Leupold that's mounted on an Encore.....lol
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2010 15:29:03 GMT -5
lol, I had actually forgotten about that one. That reminds me .... I need to send that frame off to have a trigger job done. Thanks.
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Post by HighCotton on May 17, 2010 16:53:45 GMT -5
Man-Oh-Man! I just wanted to get ready to shoot some squirrels with my new Henry!
Seriously though, I did make a call to tech service at Leupold Stevens to find the details on Redfield Revolution components. "Dan" was very helpful and told me that all components for the Revolution scope are made in the USA except for the glass. The glass will come from "Asia - typically Japan, the Philippines or China" depending on the market and other conditions.
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2010 17:23:29 GMT -5
So there you have it.
I wouldnt let that deter me from buying one ....... but if it does not have a one piece tube and the price point is close to a Leupold VX-1 I would go with the Leupold.
The link Woody provided said they have had a 2 piece tube at some point in their life ..... if that is still true of the new models it would be a deal breaker for me.
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Post by whitetail1 on May 17, 2010 17:27:52 GMT -5
Hey - I'm just impressed that you spelled "A-fishy-n-nachos" correctly! ;D
Now, get that thing ready to shoot!
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Post by HighCotton on May 17, 2010 17:59:03 GMT -5
Hey - I'm just impressed that you spelled "A-fishy-n-nachos" correctly! ;D Now, get that thing ready to shoot! Hey Brother! I'll have ya know I "Googled" that just to make sure! Of course - now I'll never hear the end of it - using a spanish derived word when the topic is all about "American made."
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Post by HighCotton on May 18, 2010 21:49:47 GMT -5
Until I determine whether to go with a Redfield scope, I'll probably mount one of my existing scopes. Is there a general rule for the heighth of the scope rings I use? Is it best to bring the scope as close to the barrel as possible or does heighth matter?
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Post by Decatur on May 18, 2010 22:15:49 GMT -5
The closer to the bore the better. When you start getting into the bigger objective lense sizes, you'll have to use higher rings.
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Post by HighCotton on May 19, 2010 6:40:22 GMT -5
Thanks D. I kind of thought the same thing but never really paid much attention since I usually have a gun shop mount my scope when I buy a gun. The Bushnell that came on this gun seems to "bottom out" before I get it bore sighted. I'll switch and mix a couple of different sets of scopes and rings to see if I can find a good combination. also found a couple of good scope mounting tutorials on the internet I'm following.
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Post by HighCotton on May 19, 2010 16:51:51 GMT -5
Well, I went out today and shot a few hundred rounds through the Henry once I found a scope and ring setup that seemed to work. I ended up using the Bushnell (3-9x32) that came with the gun (from charlie) but used a lower set of rings. First of all - WOW, what a sweet gun - love the action, the way it shoulders and shoots - lots of fun. Now the interesting part to me. As the pics show, I used the ammo I had to find what might group the best at 50 yards shooting off sandbags. Results: CCI Mini Mag Hollow Point, 36 gr. (1/2" group), Remington Target Lead Round Nose, 40gr. (1-1/8" group), Federal American Eagle Copper Hollow Point, 38 gr. (1-1/8" group), and Blazer Lead Round Nose, 40gr. (1-1/4" group). I'll test some other ammo but for now I must say I am quite surprised to see how much the Henry liked the CCI ammo. To me - there is a definite advantage/preference over the other brands. I'll also stick with the Henry/Bushnell combo for now until I decide if I want to go the Redfield, Leupold, or other scope route.
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Post by Decatur on May 19, 2010 21:58:23 GMT -5
I shoot CCI Mini-Mag Hollow Points out of my 10/22 exclusively. A great round. You're welcome about my scope comment. That Henry is a nice looking, and appearently good shooting rifle.
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Post by whitetail1 on May 20, 2010 6:48:27 GMT -5
Good shooting HCG - my Marlin likes the CCI's as well.
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