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Post by indybassin on Dec 12, 2008 19:18:06 GMT -5
Un american absolutely not. Fighting for their rights for good benefits and good pay. The unamerican thing is everyone buying toyota's and honda's and then congress telling the american companies to pay what the foreign companies are paying. Thats a joke. What difference does it make? American's are building the cars here, not Japan. The companies are PUBLICLY traded, so don't give me the "sending money back to Japan speech. Funny how people talk about "fighting for rights and good pay" while our soldiers, sailors and marines make jack squat for pay.
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Post by indybassin on Dec 12, 2008 19:23:06 GMT -5
Somebody explain to me why we want to give money to companies who are building cars? That just doesn't sound like a good investment to me. Cars aren't selling, people are holding on to their cash or are buying one of the MILLIONS of available used cars. It's no different than the housing market. We have more product than demand, we don't need to build more.
The great news for those auto workers is that Lord Obama has blessed you with promises of new bridges, roads, and construction. Granted, it'll be actual work compared to standing around with some tool putting car parts together, but at least you'll have a job.
Unless you chose not to take the work, in which case the people who are doing those jobs (that American's don't want to do).
Will you do your duty and take the job?
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 12, 2008 19:47:13 GMT -5
Well it really isn't about the unions and the car makers and the housing market or whether or not someone will "do their duty and step down to a lower paying job." It's all about drama to keep the voters polarized. I ain't union nor does my job have anything to do with the auto industry or a union but I wouldn't want to take a pay cut either. It's hard for me to blame the unions and the union workers making 50 grand a year for the State of the Union and the downfall of our economy when the CEO's of these huge companies are making 7 figures with multi 7 figure bonuses. It's pretty difficult to live on a 3rd world salary in a first world economy.
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Post by huxbux on Dec 12, 2008 20:23:34 GMT -5
Un american absolutely not. Fighting for their rights for good benefits and good pay. The unamerican thing is everyone buying toyota's and honda's and then congress telling the american companies to pay what the foreign companies are paying. Thats a joke. I see. So your position then, is that the union members should make no concessions but the American taxpayers should foot the bill to keep the big three afloat?
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Dec 12, 2008 20:49:46 GMT -5
Un american absolutely not. Fighting for their rights for good benefits and good pay. The unamerican thing is everyone buying toyota's and honda's and then congress telling the american companies to pay what the foreign companies are paying. Thats a joke. I must have imaged that big Lafayette Subaru Plant I saw on the way North. Or maybe it is all illegals working in that plant. We live in a Global Market like or not. It is reality.
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Post by duff on Dec 12, 2008 22:29:20 GMT -5
Well it really isn't about the unions and the car makers and the housing market or whether or not someone will "do their duty and step down to a lower paying job." It's all about drama to keep the voters polarized. I ain't union nor does my job have anything to do with the auto industry or a union but I wouldn't want to take a pay cut either. It's hard for me to blame the unions and the union workers making 50 grand a year for the State of the Union and the downfall of our economy when the CEO's of these huge companies are making 7 figures with multi 7 figure bonuses. It's pretty difficult to live on a 3rd world salary in a first world economy. Well said!
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Post by Decatur on Dec 12, 2008 23:02:08 GMT -5
Mrfixit!!
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 13, 2008 4:09:30 GMT -5
It's not just the UAW......it's all the small business that help supply the auto industry that will be affected.
Do I like the idea of my tax dollars going to private business.....NO!
But I also don't like the idea of the great depression of 2009.
$28.00 to $35.00 per hour PLUS benefits for running a factory machine is a bit much AND has added to the auto makers woes.....It needs to be adjusted!
Can the USA afford for thease companies to go away.....NO!
However, if the auto makers fired all their help and posted those jobs at $14.00-$16.00 per hour PLUS benefits I bet it wouldnt take long to fill them.
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Post by ActionPoint on Dec 13, 2008 11:22:25 GMT -5
As a republican I have to diverge from this road a little bit. First, the UAW has already made concessions, in fact they've been doing it for years. Many of the things that people on here have mentioned have in fact already been taking place. $27 an hour jobs becoming $14 an hour jobs, health care benefits slashed, 401k contributions diminished or cut. Make all the cuts to the labor force that you want, it's not the labor cost that is hurting the Big 3.
Second, Gov. Daniels notion that congress has no right to tell the Big 3 how to run their companies is ludicrous. Mis-management is just as responsible for this crisis as the weak economy is. I'm not saying congress is a well oiled machine, but I personally don't trust that these companies can use the bailout wisely. I think these companies need the scrutiny and it should be expected for anyone that's looking for a hand out.
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 13, 2008 16:28:57 GMT -5
Honda already cutting jobs. Best line of the whole article. No one will be laid off they can train, or take unpaid time off, or use a vacation day" To sum it up your laid off and were not going to pay you. Unlike the UAW these workers are screwed and not paid. www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/New_Honda_plant_not_immune_to_cuts
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Post by indybassin on Dec 13, 2008 16:32:36 GMT -5
again, why would anyone want their tax dollars thrown in to companies making products PEOPLE AREN'T BUYING? Sales aren't down so much over what cars the Big 3 are selling, money is tight and people aren't buying new cars.
Are we going to bail out the companies that build houses?
The notion they can't file bankruptcy is ludicrous, it's happened in many retail and airline industries.
Where was all the crying over lost jobs when Clinton gutted our military?
I feel sorry for none of the autoworkers...
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Post by huxbux on Dec 13, 2008 16:36:15 GMT -5
Nationalize everything. Good idea. After all, Congress has shown what an outstanding job they do with our money, and history has shown that socialism is a bang-up success also. There's a world of difference between a Republican and a conservative. G.W. is a Republican. When average everyday working people start espousing ideas that mere months ago would only be hatched from the minds of left-wing radicals, I realize this country as I've known it all my life is finished.
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Post by huxbux on Dec 13, 2008 16:43:48 GMT -5
Honda already cutting jobs. Best line of the whole article. No one will be laid off they can train, or take unpaid time off, or use a vacation day" To sum it up your laid off and were not going to pay you. Unlike the UAW these workers are screwed and not paid. www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/New_Honda_plant_not_immune_to_cutsYou've reinforced the whole point of all the objections to the bailout. Plain and simply, it's the arrogant "entitlement" attitude of the UAW. I know of no one who gets paid by their company after they're laid off. That's what unemployment is for.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 13, 2008 16:47:05 GMT -5
There's a world of difference between a Republican and a conservative. G.W. is a Republican. He is a RINO... just like McCain...and Lugar...and a lot of others.
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Post by indybassin on Dec 13, 2008 17:30:10 GMT -5
He is a RINO... just like McCain...and Lugar...and a lot of others. Amen, we need conservatives representing us.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 13, 2008 20:35:28 GMT -5
The only problem I see with them filing bancruptcy is this, who would consider buying a car from a company that just filed bancruptcy? A lot of this type of damage has already been done I'm sure, people afraid, and rightly so, to make a big money purchase from a company that may not be around in two years. It didn't really hurt the airlines much because a $300 plane ticket that you use once and it's done is a lot different than a $30,000 vehicle you need to rely on for 3-10 years.
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Post by indybassin on Dec 13, 2008 20:37:43 GMT -5
Who's buying cars these days period? Nobody...
The bailout won't make a bit of difference, except they go bankrupt later instead of sooner, and we'll be footing the bill.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 13, 2008 20:40:53 GMT -5
Oh, I agree. I'm against the bailout, but what i described is the main reason they are afraid to file.
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Post by johnc911 on Dec 13, 2008 21:14:22 GMT -5
No thats a benefit of th UAW you dont get screwed by your employer. And umemployment is $390 cant live on that. I bet every one of you would like to get paid if you were laid off.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 13, 2008 22:08:54 GMT -5
$390 before they take out taxes, plus, you get railed at tax time for the unpaid taxes because unemployment can only take out either federal or state taxes (I forget which atm), not both. Unemployment is no gravy train!
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