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Post by Greenedog on Dec 7, 2008 14:27:00 GMT -5
I never let them keep mine... even if it is the only tag I have on it I still demand it back... I got confused a few years ago and lost a doe tag because I let them keep the license and it was on there... of course back then I never kept the receipt portion either... now I file the receipt until the start of the next season and keep my license no matter what. I've never let them keep my son's either, even though I always make back-up copies because he's a teenager and prone to misplacing things. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 7, 2008 14:43:04 GMT -5
I ALWAYS have multiple copies of my licenses... Printer paper doesn't like getting wet...
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 8, 2008 17:55:20 GMT -5
What bad is if you don't buy all your license's at once By the end of the year you have 15 pieces of paper you have to sort through to find the right license. Here all the license I have...what a pain in the a**. All this paper . I actually have purchased small game licenses twice in the same year. Hard to keep track with all the paper. That's Indiana for ya though. We need tele-check like Kentucky and Illinois.
1. Spring turkey 2. game bird stamp 3.Hunting / fishing combo 4. archery deer 5. bonus antlerless x's 8 6.Trapping 7.fall turkey 8. firearms
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 8, 2008 21:23:12 GMT -5
I "print" mine to either PDF or TIFF (Window$ will do this with the native "Micro$oft Document Imaging" function. Then when I need another one I can just reprint it. If I get a bunch then I crop the images and paste them into a single image that will print on a single sheet of paper - 3 licenses to a sheet.
It would not be all that hard for the DNR Online system to be able to call up your previously purchased licenses & create a consolidated printout, but someone would have to code it. Probably 40hrs worth or coding & debugging.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 9, 2008 18:53:34 GMT -5
Good idea ironsights.Is that legal to carry? Can I paste all license images on one sheet and print on single sheet and carry that and present it and be legal. I always thought you have to have the original printout. We could ask 10 different CO's and probably get 10 different answers...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 9, 2008 20:42:03 GMT -5
Prove it's the "original" printout...
Ok, yeah, the "3 on a page" is obviously not original, but what exactly does "original" mean when the license is printed out in Bond Paper by a laser/copier anyway?
Besides, the "original" has "cut here" indicators on it. Nothing says I can't both "cut" AND "paste"...
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 9, 2008 21:20:20 GMT -5
Yeah you got a point there..I agree.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 9, 2008 22:31:53 GMT -5
I'm really surprised that its against the law in the state of Indiana, to not be able to fill tags for someone else, since this state has and always will be about the dollar. If they thought that they could sell a half dozen more tags, allowing others to fill others tags they may just pass it through.
Our DNR RAPES us every year, has wayyy to many regulations, and is such a joke. The hunting in this state is really awesome, but how the DNR runs our hunting season(s) is just BS.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 9, 2008 23:57:23 GMT -5
What bad is if you don't buy all your license's at once By the end of the year you have 15 pieces of paper you have to sort through to find the right license. Here all the license I have...what a pain in the a**. All this paper . I actually have purchased small game licenses twice in the same year. Hard to keep track with all the paper. That's Indiana for ya though. We need tele-check like Kentucky and Illinois. 1. Spring turkey 2. game bird stamp 3.Hunting / fishing combo 4. archery deer 5. bonus antlerless x's 8 6.Trapping 7.fall turkey 8. firearms I agree, Telecheck would be nice, but how's that going to help the problem you wrote about here?
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Post by savagehead on Dec 10, 2008 7:35:41 GMT -5
Thats not the only problem with the people employed at the check-in stations.It is a huge problem,IMO.The local CO needs to set some clear cut guide lines for these people to follow and then follow up and make sure they are complying.How hard can that be?There are only so many check stations in a given COs area.I feel it is the COs responsibilty.I have seen people pull up in a car and go in to check in a deer that was still hanging at home!Buck or doe?Are they not suppose to check this out at check in time?
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 10, 2008 7:37:12 GMT -5
It won't...that just keep ya from having to try and find a check station at 6pm on a Sunday evening when no-one's open and it's 50 degrees out and the deer gonna spoil if ya hang it...,The paper proably wouldn't change...I should've bought the LL a long time ago...
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Post by buster on Dec 10, 2008 14:19:32 GMT -5
From a Doctor I know in Indy:Last year was first year of 'rifle' season for deer in Indiana. The deer check-stations had forms which didn't list 'rifle' as an option, and with our three family deer (all taken with rifles) each time we had to insist they write in 'rifle' rather than just check 'shotgun' (and one time they said they would do so, but didn't until we pointed to where they had just checked 'shotgun' and stood there until they changed it). They also seemed confused that land owners don't have to buy deer tags, but this has always been the case for the decade I've hunted deer. THIS year I assumed it would be different; after all, they've had a year to 'prep' for the rifle season, and get it right. NOPE. First off, they did the 'you HAVE to have a TAG' thing, and that was annoying. My property taxes cost a heck of alot more than a few dozen deer tags would! Secondly, they asked 'shotgun or handgun?' and my son said '.44 Magnum RIFLE' - and the guy says 'you mean Muzzleloader?' and he says 'no - Rifle' - the guy looks confused, and checks 'shotgun.' THEN he asks my 14 year old son for his driver's license. He says 'Uh, Dad?' at which point I offer mine, unsure what the deal is. Then they ask who shot the deer. My son says 'I did,' but the guy says 'Since he doesn't have a driver's license, I'll have to put it in your name.' SO.... The people who use our tax money to make decisions on game hunting rules, and are likely supposed to be evaluating whether or not the new 'rifle' season has helped more youth hunters, will NOT see: "14 year old gets deer with .44 Mag Rifle" but will instead see "50 year old gets deer with shotgun" Now WHAT in the heck is my tax money going for, and WHY do we even bother with "deer checking?" - we know they DON'T do any checking for CWD, or any checking to see about the other health or age of the deer. Not only that, but after I got home late from work, and took the deer down packed it in the truck and hauled to town and back, then re-hung it, all in the rain, and I was already feeling like I was getting the flu, they REPRIMANDED me for not having the deer into the checking station within 24 hours. It had been about 28 hours. Oh yeah, and the web site for the DNR, as well as the current season's printed regulations, state "48 hours." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Has anyone else had this kind of experience with their deer checking? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) The response.... First of all, I would try to find another check station if this one is annoying your friend this bad. Maybe he was having a really bad day. If having the number of deer taken with a rifle was such a big issue for fish and wildlife, they would have added 'rifle' to the weapon box...don't lose any sleep over that one. Some check stations write in 'rifle' while others just check 'shotgun'. Either way is okay. In evaluating whether or not the rifles had helped the youth hunters, those numbers would be gleaned from the data from the deer killed during the YOUTH SEASON in SETEMBER, not from firearm season. As far as the landowner issue goes, you are supposed to make out your paper tag immediately upon killing your deer and are required to place said paper tag on the deer prior to leaving it unattended or transporting it out of the field. That is the tag that the check station operator was looking for. You would probably lose sleep over that one if you were caught transporting your 'family deer' without paper tags on them. Your buddy's tax money has no influence on the inept check station operator. Seems that this particular check station has some issues of their own. This should be brought to the attention of the local CO that monitors that check station. I would be most worried about having 2 bucks checked in under my name more than anything, and that, I assure you, would be something to lose sleep over! Might want to have your buddy call the local CO first and explain the situation before he tracks him down in a few weeks. The check stations gather information primarily for harvest numbers and sex (buck/doe) ratios. They use these numbers to estimate what the deer herd is doing as far a growth is concerned, and to assist in antlerless county quotas for the following season. Having the wrong box (shotgun or muzzloader) checked by the check station operator is not going to have any negative impact on what they are doing with the numbers. Ditto
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 10, 2008 15:58:39 GMT -5
The place I check my deer in never takes the transport tag off the deer, they don't even look at it...I just hand them my computer print out license they use it to record info in the book., put a metal tag on and that's it..
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Post by Decatur on Dec 10, 2008 16:09:25 GMT -5
They're supposed to staple your transport tag to the back of your entry in the book. If you had our CO, you'd be getting a ticket, thru no fault of your own!
I don't care for the way our game laws are written anyways. Look at Our CO's responses to peoples questions in the "Ask the Conservation Officer" portion of this forum, most times they say "ask your local CO for their interpretation". Our laws shouldn't be written with that much left up to officers discretion. It's either right or it's wrong! No gray area! This is crtainly NOT a jab at the CO's that take time to answer questions here btw.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 10, 2008 17:37:53 GMT -5
I know the CO's do not like having to interpret reg's that should be black and white, thankless job. One of the check ins that I go to has not one time ever come out to look at the deer. Telecheck, here we come.
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Post by racktracker on Dec 11, 2008 10:20:42 GMT -5
I don't think the DRN cares what weapon is used. Total numbers is what counts for them.
Yes, the COs have a tough job.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 11, 2008 23:21:11 GMT -5
Decatur,I wouldn't be getting the ticket! I done my part, if they as a check-in station aren't doing there's that's on them! If they don't take the tag off and staple it on that shouldn't reflect on me. I ask them everytime I check my deer in" you need this" and they say " no ", just your license..You're right the laws are so loose, nothing is cutt and dried...The kicker is most of the laws regarding Hunting and trapping aren't even in the Hunting and Trapping regs booklet..
I had a CO. for years that said I was legal to use a landowner tags and I did for 12 years, he retired and we got a new CO. he's tells me I can't use one, Because " I don't Farm the land", The law reads any landowner or tenant who frams the land..If you don't personally farm that land, you can't use a landowner tag....
On the other hand....I know guys in other counties who use them and are landowners, but don't farm the land and were told by thier CO. that's legal....? GO figure! It's at the CO.'s discretion and interpretation...Lots of wiggle room
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 31, 2008 11:37:17 GMT -5
From the IDNR concerning check station log ins....
You are correct in that the check station logs do not have a check box for the rifles, and that possibly attributed to an underestimation of the harvest with that weapon last year, and will likely occur again this year.
We have asked each check in station to write "Rifle" in the weapons box if a deer has been harvested with a rifle, but obviously this request often does not reach everyone checking in deer. The deer check log book is a state form, which are extremely painstaking to change. We typically order our log books in two year batches, with the previous deer biologist needing to place an order for the upcoming years prior to the implementation of this rule.
In our deer hunter survey we sent out (which is still being analyzed and not published), it appears that only an estimated 5% of hunters used a rifle during the 2007 season. With 2007 being the first year this was available, I expect use to grow in the upcoming years as more hunters become educated and comfortable with the idea of using this weapon."
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