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Post by 76chevy on Aug 22, 2008 11:54:10 GMT -5
For those not familiar with it, this program is the best thing our state govt has done in a long time. I received a free college education from the 21st Century Scholars Program. It was spearheaded and signed into law by then governer Evan Bayh. www.indiana.edu/~iub21cs/news.html "When I was Governor, we created the 21st Century Scholars program to
make a college education possible for every child in Indiana who wanted
one. Since then, thousands of students have used 21st Century Scholars
to realize the dream of a college education. Now, Indiana University's
commitment to cover additional costs will give even more students an
opportunity to get the quality education they need to succeed."
--Senator Evan BayhI still think (as I am on record on here as saying) if Evan Bayh is on the ticket, IN will go Blue for the first time....in a long time. |
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Post by oneshot on Aug 22, 2008 15:01:33 GMT -5
I hope you are wrong about In. going blue.
Birch Bayh [Evans dad] was a very liberal gun grabbing senator from In. who got defeated because of his anti 2A stance.
IMO Evan is just as bad.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 22, 2008 17:26:35 GMT -5
Maybe it would be more appropriate to thank the tax paying citizens of the state of Indiana,
especially since a lot of them were coerced into parting with their hard earned money to fund your "free" education.
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Post by jackryan on Aug 23, 2008 0:39:38 GMT -5
Sorry but yer not welcome to it.
I moved back to this state when my kids were in 5th and 6th grade so I got hijacked to pay the bills to send Indiana kids to a program it was IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME OR THEM TO EVER BENEFIT FROM.
I paid for your college through that program. Then I paid every single dime of tuition, book fees, program fees, parking fees, fuel fees and every other kind of fee for both of my own kids to go to college after I paid for every kind of fee and book rental for a "free" public school education.
I also over paid the tuition they required so they could afford to send any one else who's dad was too lazy, too drunk, an illegal alien, or related to the college staff to go to school free.
No big deal though. I only had to work 7 days a week and a lot of 12 hour days so I could work 4 days for MY family and 3 days for every one else's family while they stayed home with their kids. While your dad was home taking you to ball games and watching your school programs on the weekend, I was at work so I could pay my own kid's way and yours too.
My wife went to work to their junior year in high school but she only had a part time job so she could only about half put our neighborhood drunk's kids through school.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Aug 23, 2008 0:54:57 GMT -5
Anyone have the facts on how this program is funded?
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Post by drgreyhound on Aug 23, 2008 8:01:14 GMT -5
Maybe it would be more appropriate to thank the tax paying citizens of the state of Indiana, especially since a lot of them were coerced into parting with their hard earned money to fund your "free" education. Absolutely. I believe if the government is going to have a hand in financing your education, it should be with a loan that you pay back to the American people. If people want to donate their hard-earned money to a scholarship fund, there are plenty of good private scholarship funds they can choose to donate to. |
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 24, 2008 16:33:37 GMT -5
Have to agree with the above posts, 76.
If you still think there's such thing as a "free" education ---or anything else ----being supplied by government, there were some important things left out of that education.
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Post by bzeb on Aug 24, 2008 17:49:31 GMT -5
In Geogia they have the Hope Scholarship it is paid for by proceeds from the state Lottery..............wonder what they do with our lottery money?  ?? |
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 25, 2008 12:49:40 GMT -5
I think any tax money paid toward someone's education should be paid back. After all, if you go to college and end up making good money, there is no reason any grants cannot be repaid.
Many people could not go to college for reasons that have nothing to do with being stupid or lazy. It's not fair for those people to have to pay for some other guy's spawn to go to college free.
Free=Welfare, IMO.
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Post by danf on Aug 25, 2008 14:45:01 GMT -5
One thing that just occurred to me is how many of the students that benefited from the 21st Century program have contributed to the "brain drain"......?
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Post by indianahick on Aug 25, 2008 16:15:56 GMT -5
Heck no you are not welcome to your free education. Not only did I have to pay for yours I paid for my son's too. Totally. And my middle Daughters too. They never got a free ride at tax payers expense.
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Post by drgreyhound on Aug 26, 2008 9:48:37 GMT -5
Absolutely.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Aug 26, 2008 21:30:09 GMT -5
So I assume that everyone who opposes this program also opposed the tax increase to pay for the COLT's new playground? The other question we need to ask is, does this provide a competitive edge for the USA against the rest of the world.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 27, 2008 2:55:22 GMT -5
So I assume that everyone who opposes this program also opposed the tax increase to pay for the COLT's new playground? The other question we need to ask is, does this provide a competitive edge for the USA against the rest of the world. You would assume correctly - at least for me. I want the government out of many areas at all levels. That covers the second part of your question as well. |
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Post by raporter on Aug 27, 2008 8:19:23 GMT -5
So I assume that everyone who opposes this program also opposed the tax increase to pay for the COLT's new playground? The other question we need to ask is, does this provide a competitive edge for the USA against the rest of the world. You would assume correctly - at least for me. I want the government out of many areas at all levels. That covers the second part of your question as well.  |
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Post by 76chevy on Aug 28, 2008 9:17:47 GMT -5
Who knew there was such vehement opposition to federal financial aid for education?
Some might be surprised by this but 76% of undergrads at 4 year public schools receive financial aid.
Source: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, National Postsecondary Student Aid Study: 2003–2004
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Post by danf on Aug 28, 2008 10:02:03 GMT -5
There's a big difference between financial aid and a government sponsored "free" education....
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Post by raporter on Aug 28, 2008 10:08:21 GMT -5
There's a big difference between financial aid and a government sponsored "free" education.... Yep, real big. Aid should be available to whoever needs it. |
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Post by 76chevy on Aug 28, 2008 10:26:45 GMT -5
The only difference is the amount of aid that is recieved. We have a need based financial aid system where those with the most need recieve the most financial aid assistance in the form of state and federal grants, scholarships, and government backed loans. Some will recieve enough financial aid to cover 100% of their education but most do not. There's a big difference between financial aid and a government sponsored "free" education.... Yep, real big. Aid should be available to whoever needs it. |
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Post by danf on Aug 28, 2008 10:42:07 GMT -5
Ummm, don't know about you, but I'm still PAYING BACK the financial aid that I recieved.....  |
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