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Post by shootsa410 on Dec 21, 2006 17:14:21 GMT -5
It would be my biggest bow kill so far.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 21, 2006 23:56:17 GMT -5
That would be something to see, it is amazing how they can get locked up that tight! I think I'd of cut them free and let that deer live to be hunted another day. I just couldn't feel good about hanging that one on the wall, knowing he couldn't get away ( fair chase issues).That deer was a survivor, for a while.. Fair chase issues? Ever heard of being humane? I hate it when people are too worried about what other will think of them when it comes to these types of situations!
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Post by gobblerfreak on Dec 26, 2006 11:54:31 GMT -5
Its called NATURE guys it happens everyday! Admittedly its sad, but like Horn Harvester said, he was a dead buck anyway, he just didn't know it yet. The only humane, ethical thing to do is to put him down. Tyrin to separate a wild animal from a dead one, what kinda effect do ya think that would have on the buck? My guess he would thrash around and injure himself further, if not you and him both. Put Yourself in the deer's place: Yer tied to a dead body, you cant get free, you're exhausted from draggin it around for who knows how long, then all of a sudden out comes a Grizzly Bear and he's gonna chew the rope in half! You gonna just set there and wait or you gonna try and escape? Tie a rope to him? What about the rope after their separated? Ya just gonna let him drag it along behind him, so he can snag it and break his neck anyway? I can assure ya if ya put him down, as far as the C.O. s go, You just used yer tag!!! I would guess if ya blew them any flack about havin to tag him,they would separate the 2 and you would end up with a single rack. My advise in that case would be to say "Yes Sir" and "Thank You Sir" as much as possible. You may just end up with a mount of a lifetime. Just my Opinion, but to each his own.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 26, 2006 12:03:36 GMT -5
The dead one looks to have been dead for a long while look at his coloration compared to the that was alive. The last picture shows it best. He's pretty ripe I'm sure. Don't know if I'd shoot or not but the thing that has me the most irritated.....HORN locked bucks !!! They are't horns !!!!! lol Just goes to show exactly how infrequently I think about antlers. Note I was worried about the loss of meat... Fixed tho. Hope you know that was just humor, if for no one else but me !
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Post by indianahick on Dec 26, 2006 12:09:56 GMT -5
Shooting would be the most expediant. I too have seen the chain saw thing. As I recall it took about 4 or 5 ropes and as many people, getting a vet and drugging the deer would work better. Chances are if you called in a Conservation Officer he would tell you to shoot and tag as they do not have time or resourses to do much more. Those guys have a lot to do. While this is not Fair Chase it is not pen hunting. Fair Chase does not count here. As for how and why it happened watch Woody's video, it called who is the boss and this is my doe. It is just like the biggest guy at a school, Who is the boss of the play ground.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 26, 2006 12:26:12 GMT -5
It may be natural ,but it's not hunting. If it's natural then leave him be, walk away and let things happen naturally. Don't shoot the deer. Hunting to me isn't stumbling across a deer locked up with another a shooting it. Hunting is going after a paticular animal, outsmarting it in it's own enviroment/habitat, scouting,preparation, knowing the woods you're hunting, playing the wind etc.. and if you harvest the animal in the end, you're sucessful. The other example I'd describe as an "opourtunist", not a hunter, and I couldn't put my tag on it based on that. I know a case where this happened, the C.O. was called and he came out shot the one live deer, and gave the guy who called him a permit to have the deer, he didn't have to tag it with his own tag. I also have seen where two buck were locked up and a chainsaw was used to saw one rack off at the base where both buck ran off. Normally their soo exhausted they just lie there for a minute before they run off. It depends on how long they've been locked up.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 26, 2006 12:33:04 GMT -5
Just goes to show exactly how infrequently I think about antlers. Note I was worried about the loss of meat... Fixed tho. Hope you know that was just humor, if for no one else but me ! Didn't know it was humor, but it didn't irritate me I honestly brainfarted over antler vs horn. And you were correct.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 26, 2006 12:34:54 GMT -5
Hey lugnutz I'm not worried about what others think, I'm more worried about how I feel myself. Nature isn't humane, that's nature.. I would either call the Game Warden and let him handle it, or leave the deer for things to occur naturally.....no way in heck I'd tag a deer that I didn't HUNT and take sucessfully based on my own knowledge of the deer woods and what I've done to earn that buck...end of story....I'm not trying to say you're wrong if you do X,Y or Z....I'm saying...Myself..I wouldn't tag a buck that way..couldn't feel good about a freebie handout....Regardless of the circumstances..
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Post by whiteoak on Dec 26, 2006 12:38:23 GMT -5
I would not try this in this situation, but three years ago I had an easy 50 yard shot at a good buck that was bedded down with a doe. I put the cross hairs of my muzzleloader right behind his shoulder and fired. The buck jumped up an ran. He stumbled at first. I went up to look for blood and found his perfet severed right antler laying where he was bedded. I saw him three days later chasing another doe with his left side antler intact with about three inches of the right side sticking up. Like I said at first, I would never try to do that to free the buck. I would be filling out my tag. I found that my scope mounts had came loose and my gun was way off was the reason I had hit the antler.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 26, 2006 22:13:09 GMT -5
Hey lugnutz I'm not worried about what others think, I'm more worried about how I feel myself. Nature isn't humane, that's nature.. I would either call the Game Warden and let him handle it, or leave the deer for things to occur naturally.....no way in heck I'd tag a deer that I didn't HUNT and take sucessfully based on my own knowledge of the deer woods and what I've done to earn that buck...end of story....I'm not trying to say you're wrong if you do X,Y or Z....I'm saying...Myself..I wouldn't tag a buck that way..couldn't feel good about a freebie handout....Regardless of the circumstances.. I'd do what i would have to do. If i had to tag him, then i would. Just the same if i seen a wounded deer coming through my woods. I'd take them out. Your right, i wouldn't be hunting that deer, but i would definately feel better knowing that deer isn't suffering anymore regardless if it cost me my buck tag or not. I suppose you could turn your back and let nature take care of themselves. I just can't do that. LUG
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 27, 2006 5:11:53 GMT -5
I'm with you lugnutz.
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