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Dec 21, 2007 14:07:36 GMT -5
Post by jackc99 on Dec 21, 2007 14:07:36 GMT -5
Statistics show that less than 10% of released quail/pheasants will survive to nest. Having said that there are a number of factors that can be influenced to increase that number (supplemental feed, predator control, enhanced habitat) . I have released birds for training here in the city (Indy) and had covies take hold and hang around for years. I've also done it in Brown County but the secret is to be able to control the predators. Fortunatey some friends like to trap down that way so some birds do survive. Up here my habitat got turned into soccer fields but I still have a covey hiding behind the Colts complex....I think they are spies for Bellichek but hey they need the help.
Jack
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quail
Dec 21, 2007 14:16:30 GMT -5
Post by ActionPoint on Dec 21, 2007 14:16:30 GMT -5
Released birds can and will survive with a little bit of help. Hawks can be a very challenging problem and it really requires a bit of habitat alteration to reduce their predation.
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quail
Dec 21, 2007 14:27:12 GMT -5
Post by jackc99 on Dec 21, 2007 14:27:12 GMT -5
Escape cover?
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quail
Dec 21, 2007 16:23:23 GMT -5
Post by ActionPoint on Dec 21, 2007 16:23:23 GMT -5
Escape cover, edge feathering, planting grasses and plants that provide a canopy from aerial predators, removing perching and nesting areas that hawks and owls are using. They are all good ways to reduce the stress on the birds and reduce predation. Like anything else though you have to pick your poison when it comes to removing predators. The more top level predators you eliminate the more issues you will have with brood and egg loss via mice, snakes, raccoons, and such. |
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dmd
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quail
Dec 21, 2007 17:36:21 GMT -5
Post by dmd on Dec 21, 2007 17:36:21 GMT -5
I never once said that quail are not heavily preyed upon. They are indeed heavily preyed upon. I just said turkeys aren't responsible for quail population declines as you so incorrectly opined a few posts earlier. Funny, I didn't see anyone mention of turkeys in that exhaustive list of quail predators or for that matter humans. In fact, you just said hawks are the major reason. Earlier you said it was turkeys?? I'm confused which is it hawks or turkeys? However, there were several comments pertaining to habitat needs. Hmmmm...
For what it's worth duck, I'm 40 something and hunt quail every once in a while. I manage a few acres that sustain a decent amount of quail.
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quail
Dec 21, 2007 21:24:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 21:24:13 GMT -5
was just curious im. 54 and been rabbit and quail hunting since i was 10. this post started talking about habitat loss and then all the other reasons there are not many quail started coming in I think they are all valid reasons but nobody can come up whith any solutions. maybe ought to be happy i,v seen the good old days and leave it at that happy hunting.
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quail
Dec 22, 2007 22:30:06 GMT -5
Post by birddog on Dec 22, 2007 22:30:06 GMT -5
Well I'm 60 years old and have been hunting since I was 8....52 years!!!!!! And I can tell you for a fact that one of the problems especially here in S.E. Indiana is the loss of habitat..old farms where I once hunted are no longer there,been bought out,new homes built and one thing that really gets me fired up is out of state people that come here buy the land and before the inks dry on the signing they POST it..NO HUNTING,NO FISHING,NO TRESPASSING...Don't get me wrong I know they have the right to do this but it sure as hell has played a bad role in the loss of hunting privledges we once had.
Then I don't care what you say about the turkey's,once they came into exsistance here the quail dropped off ..big time and not only here in Indiana but like I said before up in South Dakota where I have the only hunting access to 14,000 acres and up until the turkey's made an appearance there were pheasants out of wazoo,but now on half the land there are turkeys and yes the pheasant are no longer there and I CAN ASSURE you that nothing else has changed there as far as food,water,habitat,etc...only the arrival of the turkeys.
For a solution to the problem I don't have any ideas,there are more turkey hunters than quail hunters so your out numbered there,like me..I haven't hunted quail here in Indiana for 5 years now and I probably never will again..Sad..Hell yes it is,I've taken as many as four dogs to the fields here in Indiana in pursuit of quail,money spent...God only knows how many thousands of dollars I've spent just to hunt this little bird..Sure I still have two Brittanys and neither of the two have never pointed a quail...sure there tough as nails on pheasant,grouse,etc...but the bird I love ..well I doubt I ever take another one in my life here in Indiana!!!!!!!!
Like any thing else these days..It's where the almighty dollar is at and i can assure you that here in this part of Indiana..it's not being spent on the quail!!!!!!! and not by the IDNR that's for sure!!
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quail
Dec 23, 2007 6:58:09 GMT -5
Post by old3arrows on Dec 23, 2007 6:58:09 GMT -5
Birddog you must be refering to those "WORTHLESS NUTS" that occupy the state to the east of us! ;D I've got one that owns the property to the north of me, but at least she respects and allows her neighbors to hunt for now.
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dmd
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quail
Dec 23, 2007 16:51:19 GMT -5
Post by dmd on Dec 23, 2007 16:51:19 GMT -5
"...And I can tell you for a fact that one of the problems especially here in S.E. Indiana is the loss of habitat..old farms where I once hunted are no longer there,been bought out,new homes built..."
I thought that is what I said earlier? I'm glad you have seen the light and now recognize habitat loss as the real problem & that Turkeys are merely a side affect of the habitat changes.
My work here is done. If ever you need to be further enlightened, just let me know. Happy hunting
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quail
Dec 23, 2007 21:50:58 GMT -5
Post by birddog on Dec 23, 2007 21:50:58 GMT -5
Then you teel me why is it then that up in South Dakota were the turkeys have started to take over the pheasant are no longer there??? Habitat loss...I HARDLY THINK SO!!!!!
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