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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jun 28, 2007 8:48:13 GMT -5
Grazers or Browsers?
Another thread got me to thinking about this.I believe whitetails are both.I think of deer being grazers when they spend their time out in a field feeding on clover or something else(studies show they graze more than they browse).Then I think of them being browsers when they feed on twigs,briars,leaves,plants etc.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Jun 28, 2007 9:35:58 GMT -5
They are opportunistic feeders, so I say a blend.
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Post by hornharvester on Jun 28, 2007 10:23:40 GMT -5
When I see them in my plots they usually just browse a while and move on but sometimes they will stay and eat for quite a while. While I think they are both i believe they are more browsers than grazers.
I also think it depends on the time of the year. In the spring, summer and fall when the plants are green i think they are more browsers but in the winter when food is scarce and the green plants are gone they become more grazers. h.h.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 28, 2007 17:29:07 GMT -5
They are browsers. Its not up for discussion.
Deer pick through a clover field, they don't pile mouthful after mouthful of clover into their mouths. Watch them eat. They evolved a narrow nose/mouth to be able to pick that leave instead of this leaf. They may stand and browse in one spot for a while, but deer, because of the way their face is designed, are not capable of "grazing" like cattle and horses.
Deer ARE browsers.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jun 28, 2007 18:45:10 GMT -5
They are browsers. Its not up for discussion. Deer pick through a clover field, they don't pile mouthful after mouthful of clover into their mouths. Watch them eat. They evolved a narrow nose/mouth to be able to pick that leave instead of this leaf. They may stand and browse in one spot for a while, but deer, because of the way their face is designed, are not capable of "grazing" like cattle and horses. Deer ARE browsers. OK,if you believe so... White-tailed deer have evolved to consume a large variety of foods, including herbaceous material (e.g., grasses, ferns, sedges, forbs), hard and soft fruits (e.g., apples, acorns, etc.), mushrooms, lichens, vines, woody browse (new woody growth and buds of trees and shrubs), and even dry, dead leaves and bark. For this reason, deer are categorized as both grazers and browsers. However, deer are highly-selective feeders and they choose foods that are the highest in quality and require the least amount of energy to find. www.whitetailstewards.com/articlesonsite/deerbiology/seasonalhabitatrequirementsdeer.htmGrazing 1. to feed on growing grass and pasturage, as do cattle, sheep, etc Browse 8. tender shoots or twigs of shrubs and trees as food for cattle, deer, etc. www.fs.fed.us/rangelands/uses/browseandgraze.shtml
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 28, 2007 21:42:13 GMT -5
What Chico said...
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Post by dwhunting on Jun 29, 2007 10:13:04 GMT -5
There is a great article about this in the quarterly Whitetail Institute Magazine which I received yesterday. I believe they are indeed opportunistic but the majority of their food does come from Browse. I consider a food plot or corn/soybeans dessert for a whitetail.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 30, 2007 0:09:06 GMT -5
There isn't anything here to discuss. If you can't tell the difference between how cattle and horses eat, and how a deer and sheep eat, then there is nothing I can say to change your mind.
Deer are, by definition, browsers.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jun 30, 2007 8:06:17 GMT -5
There isn't anything here to discuss. If you can't tell the difference between how cattle and horses eat, and how a deer and sheep eat, then there is nothing I can say to change your mind. Deer are, by definition, browsers. I am the one wasting my time,getting my laughs too by the way...You have NO clue what you are talking about!Educate yourself on deer then come back and talk about it...Gooday
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 30, 2007 8:23:23 GMT -5
TASTES GREAT!!
LESS FILLING!!
That argument will go down in history...
In this one just let me say that deer will do BOTH , but prefer to browse..
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 30, 2007 8:59:59 GMT -5
Find me a picture, a video, anything of deer mowing through a clover field, a bean field, and rapsberry bush, anything, like cattle do.
It can't be done.
Even when standing in a clover field, deer pick and choose.
They are designed to take in large VARIETY, not large QUANTITY.
Even for their size they do not consume as much as cattle.
Argue all you want. They browse. Standing in a clover field eating does not constitue grazing.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jun 30, 2007 9:08:39 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% Trent
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 30, 2007 10:15:21 GMT -5
Awwww, you're being condesending, how cute...
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 30, 2007 10:25:07 GMT -5
Debate the subject and leave the personal jabs out of it..
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jun 30, 2007 14:06:30 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% Trent Not really!Ijust have more productive things to do,than argue with you.If you want to continue the discusion,you are more than welcome to come over to my site,I won't do it on Woody's.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 30, 2007 16:26:42 GMT -5
Never thought you did...not gonna bother...i differ to your superior knowledge of all things. I forget sometimes how truly ignorant I am. I would like to thank all of you for reminding me. It is nice to be able to come to a place with so many people who are always right. It grounds me firmly in my own stupidity.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jul 7, 2007 0:14:45 GMT -5
Just wanted to lay this to rest. You will tell me I am wrong or whatever, but here you go... PHYSIOLOGYRuminant animals are grouped into three categories: (1) Grazers: roughage feeders that select mostly grasses and sedges; (2) Browsers: concentrate selectors that feed mostly on forbs and the leaves, twigs, and bark of trees and shrubs; (3) Mixed Feeders: intermediate feeder between grazer and browser - adapted to grazing grasses, forbs, and woody plants. Bison and beef cattle are classified as grazers. Elk are considered mixed feeders, and white-tailed deer are browsers (concentrate selectors). In all seasons white-tailed deer select only the most nutritious, rapidlydigestible plant species and plant parts rather than an average of all the forage available. Compared to grazers, browsers have a relatively small and simplified rumen which is not capable of digesting large quantities of feed high in cellulose. White-tailed deer eat more frequently, averaging 10-12 feeding bouts/day compared to beef cattle at 3-4 bouts/day. Browsers pass feed through the digestivetract more rapidly, and extract fewer nutrients from feed compared to mixed feeders and grazers. The entire article can be found at www.agr.gov.sk.ca/docs/production/DeerPasture.pdf
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Jul 7, 2007 8:26:51 GMT -5
Excellent article,thanks for the link...I guess it all depends how one person defines each....After reading all 11 pages of the article,I still came away with deer being both...
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 7, 2007 8:50:17 GMT -5
Excellent article,thanks for the link...I guess it all depends how one person defines each....After reading all 11 pages of the article,I still came away with deer being both... Key word - "mostly"...
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jul 7, 2007 12:08:30 GMT -5
Wow...ok...you guys are right, my bad...
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