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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Oct 26, 2005 13:58:24 GMT -5
I was just wondering why they don't do it.I belive it would it help the deer and turkey.I have seen so many good places they buy up and just let it go.Maybe this was a dumb question.
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Post by drs on Oct 26, 2005 14:10:31 GMT -5
I was just wondering why they don't do it.I belive it would it help the deer and turkey.I have seen so many good places they buy up and just let it go.Maybe this was a dumb question. Hi Lawcobowhunter, Not a dumb question at all. I have also asked myself this question. I think it comes down to money and costs. The State has enough money to give big business like Wal-Mart Tax breaks, and built roads & Highways like I-69, but when it come to wildlife area improvements there is very little State Money.
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Post by INBowhunter on Oct 26, 2005 14:20:52 GMT -5
I was just wondering why they don't do it. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by duff on Oct 26, 2005 17:14:40 GMT -5
I think I have seen in some of the HNF and on some state ground where they have cleared areas and posted signs as wildlife habitat or something to the likes. Basically grassy/scrubby spots in some of the older forest. I know I hunted one in the HNF last year. And I believe I have seen them in YellowWood but I could be mistaken on that.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 26, 2005 20:00:57 GMT -5
Heck with the state forests....what about Fish & Wildlife areas and res. properties???
The habitat for small upland game is pitifull on many of these properties. There is NO REASON that Indiana can't support good quail populations on these properties....IF THE HABITAT WAS THERE!!!
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Post by raporter1 on Oct 26, 2005 21:17:16 GMT -5
Camby I think you will find the DNR does some plantings in F&G areas. I know the resevoirs have farm areas where some of the crops are left for the wildlife. On the HNF they make small lakes for wildlife, plantings there would be nice though.
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 26, 2005 22:45:37 GMT -5
Let's be clear that the Hoosier National Forest is federal ground and IDNR probably won't be planting anything in there. Also, I am curious as to why anyone wants food plots in a state forest.
Jack
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2005 7:03:02 GMT -5
Let's be clear that the Hoosier National Forest is federal ground and IDNR probably won't be planting anything in there. Also, I am curious as to why anyone wants food plots in a state forest. Jack That is a good question Jack..Personally I think that food polts are over rated as "helping" wildlife out.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Oct 27, 2005 7:45:26 GMT -5
I think Hardy Lake does a wonderful job of managing for wildlife. Aside from the dove draw hunt fields of sunflowers, they also plant corn, millet and sorghum. I know a couple guys that shoot turkeys there in the spring that are always packed full of sorghum. Patoka is another property that has historically placed an emphasis on planting beneficial wildlife plots. The filter strips around field edges at Hardy are never without natural clover. I don't think we will see any property planting exclusively for deer, but if you look around, there are management programs that are being implemented that work well for multiple game species.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Oct 27, 2005 10:56:02 GMT -5
So tell what is wrong with planting a field or two that once use to be in clover and is now nothing but saplings and almost every mast producing tree has been logged out of the place.If money is a factor,how do they afford all these set aside programs.Just curious,and I'm not looking for an argument.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 27, 2005 11:28:46 GMT -5
If logging were done properly and regularly then there would be little need to plant anything else for deer. As I see it the food plots would be much better for rabbits and gamebirds.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Oct 27, 2005 14:06:43 GMT -5
I'll drop it,it really doesn't matter to me really.I hardly ever hunt on there anymore anyways.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 27, 2005 14:28:25 GMT -5
It was a perfectly valid question, but one for which there is probably more than one correct answer.
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Post by gobblerstopper on Oct 27, 2005 14:52:23 GMT -5
It is a good question. Maybe not for HNF, but for the F&W areas. I know that there used to be places planted in Sugar Ridge back when it was still called Patoka. Money is the issue I am sure. What I don't understand is why Kentucky can afford it on their WMA's I agree with Woody that food plots are somewhat over rated, but think of all the people you would draw out of the woods and around the food plots during deer season. Also LCB, if the state was really worried about the wildlife and not the money, they wouldn't have had all the mast producing trees cut in the first place.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 27, 2005 20:23:01 GMT -5
That alone would make them worthwhile. ;D
I'm not so sure about that, if our foresters have made a mistake then surely that mistake is bowing to the tree huggers and not doing enough selective harvesting on public ground.
BTW, I have seen areas in the HNF designated by signs as wildlife habitat improvement sites. I have yet to figure out how exactly wildlife habitat was improved since the changes consisted mainly of errecting the previously mentioned signs and bushhogging patches of cover.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Oct 28, 2005 0:32:09 GMT -5
I was referring to some of the new properties the HNF purchased from a logging company after they clear cut everything in site around 3 or 4 years ago.I hunted a couple areas for years until last year when the under growth was so bad you could hardly walk through it,I thought about cutting a trail but didn't know if that was legal to do or not.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 28, 2005 5:01:10 GMT -5
[quote author=mbogo board=habitat thread=1130353104 post=1130462581
Yes, there is a spot of HNF on the Lawrence-Monroe county line, off Knob Creek Rd that has those signs. I wondered that myself. Actualy it said "Pittman-Robertson wildlife improvment"
I thought that maybe the funds to purchase the land was from the Pittman-Robertson Act. But there aint no "improvments" being done, just letting the place grow up!.....By the way, there are a ton of deer and turkey at this spot, if you don't mind climbing some hills!
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Post by mbogo on Oct 28, 2005 6:12:40 GMT -5
LCB, those clear cuts may not be pretty but they do provide food and cover for deer. That cover probably allows more deer to survive than would normally. I'm not sure about the legality of cutting a trail, but I would think that it would depend on how much cutting was done and what was being cut. The Multi-flora roses often found in old logging areas are invasive so I doubt anyone would object to some pruning. If you do clear a trail, it will probably become the hottest deer trail in the place since it makes it easier for deer to travel as well. Camby, the areas I've seen have been part of the HNF for a long time, but you may be correct about the Knob Creek area. Also, in one of the areas I mentioned a pond/marsh with nice bass, crappie, and assorted other fish was drained, only slightly altered, rebuilt, and finally re-stocked with bass, crappie, and assorted other fish.
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Post by dwhunting on Nov 1, 2005 15:06:41 GMT -5
I love to plant food plots and I love to watch them grow. I'm a big believer in the food plot. This is the first year that we have actually planted food plots on our land and I would have to say that it is very beneficial to the wildlife. so far We have planted Apple trees, Bi-color lespedeza, clover, brassicas, wheat, rye, and an assortment of many others. The deer and the turkey are absolutely tearing it up. I would have to say that money is definately the issue here in Indiana. I did notice that Kentucky was mentioned briefly above. As for Kentucky I think that their DNR has been on the ball for many years and is blowing us out of the water by the way they do things. No more Kentuckian jokes for me!
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Post by chicobrownbear on Nov 2, 2005 8:33:16 GMT -5
I, however, will still make fun of Kentucky. And they will still make fun of West Virginia. And Missouri will still make fun of us. And Illinois is still full of rectums.
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