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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 7, 2006 19:17:58 GMT -5
For you guys that want to hunt with pistol cartridge rifles here is a bill in the Senate.. Senate Bill 0263 Requires the director to establish a hunting season in which certain authentic or reproductions of rifles manufactured between 1860 and 1899 may be used. www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2006/IN/IN0263.1.html
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Post by kevin1 on Jan 8, 2006 18:30:50 GMT -5
Sounds like a good start !
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Post by drs on Jan 9, 2006 7:11:37 GMT -5
Sounds like a good start ! Yeah, it is a good start alright, however, as the other topic suggest, we may not be able to hunt within 200 yards of ANY buildings or homes.
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Post by jkd on Jan 9, 2006 14:04:48 GMT -5
Problem is, it doesn't define hunting for what....?
If it's deer, that's not specified in the bill or the IC code it refers to...
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 9, 2006 15:21:41 GMT -5
Problem is, it doesn't define hunting for what....? If it's deer, that's not specified in the bill or the IC code it refers to... They are pretty well legal for everything else (not turkeys) already aren't they?
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Post by jkd on Jan 9, 2006 15:36:38 GMT -5
If it is for deer, not sure why they picked the .25-20 as the low end... necked down .32-20 with energy <= .38 special...
Also would get you into the .45-70, .45-90 on the high end... more power than the guys asking for current legal pistol rounds in rifles were looking for...
Plus, looks like they're looking to set up yet another license tag, instead of just adding these to the existing firearms legal round list...
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Post by mbogo on Jan 10, 2006 6:31:12 GMT -5
Even though many deer have undoubtedly been killed with the .25-20 and .32-20, both are on the weak side for deer. However, that shouldn't be too much of a problem since there are very few reasonably priced guns chambered in either of these calibers. The .45-70 would probably be among the more popular choices, being comparable to shotguns or muzzleloaders on the top end, but the recoil could still be a little stiff for youngsters.
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Post by drs on Jan 10, 2006 7:37:25 GMT -5
The old .45-70 Springfield is NOT a pistol Cartridge. If this bill survives and is passed the ONLY cartridges that should be made legal would be: .41 Rem. Mag., .44 Rem. Mag., .45 Long Colt, .454 Casull, and some of the newer pistol cartridges like the .460 S&W. Also, Rifles made legal shouldn't be confined to singleshots or Lever Actions. There are a few bolt actions that are chambered for the .44 Magnum. However most if not all are chambered in singleshots or Lever Action Rifles.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jan 25, 2006 13:08:59 GMT -5
Ditto kevin.
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Post by drs on Feb 3, 2006 7:47:07 GMT -5
I just read, in our local paper, that the Legislatures passed a bill allowing the legal use of dangerious fireworks here in Indiana. It's a proven fact that more people are injured by the misuse of fireworks than by firearms. If our state can pass a bill allowing such dangerious products (From Red China) to be used legally here, then why can't we Deer hunter use Pistol Cartridges in rifles for our Deer Hunting here? Doesn't make sense to me!
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Post by pbr on Feb 6, 2006 21:22:27 GMT -5
Anyone know the status of this bill?
I thought that the IDNR director was going to take this up with the Natural Resources Commision?
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Post by drs on Feb 7, 2006 7:48:32 GMT -5
Anyone know the status of this bill? I thought that the IDNR director was going to take this up with the Natural Resources Commision? I haven't heard or read anymore new about this bill. Not sure if is even going to get a hearing.
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Post by jkd on Feb 7, 2006 11:17:36 GMT -5
It appears it never got a committee hearing... Feb 2 was the deadline for bills to pass out of their respective houses, so this one is dead unless the language gets inserted into some other pending bill...
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Post by drs on Feb 7, 2006 11:38:41 GMT -5
It appears it never got a committee hearing... Feb 2 was the deadline for bills to pass out of their respective houses, so this one is dead unless the language gets inserted into some other pending bill... Thats what I figured, thanks for the update "jkd"
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Post by jkd on Feb 7, 2006 12:07:38 GMT -5
Yeah, too bad really... I've always thought that Indiana's hunting/firearms regs were screwy relative to deer vs. coyote/groundhog/varmint calibers... maybe the NRC will take this issue up and get something going in the future... but better them and IDNR doing reg changes as opposed to the legislature I suppose...
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Post by drs on Feb 7, 2006 12:28:51 GMT -5
Yeah, too bad really... I've always thought that Indiana's hunting/firearms regs were screwy relative to deer vs. coyote/groundhog/varmint calibers... maybe the NRC will take this issue up and get something going in the future... but better them and IDNR doing reg changes as opposed to the legislature I suppose... It is too bad, jkd, Here we have a bunch of elected officials that want to legalize fireworks in Indiana, but won't budge an inch for us Deer Hunters. ~I GIVE UP~
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 7, 2006 19:24:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Kyle had this on his list for the next administrative rules change which would be presented next month at the NRC meeting. Let me go check and see if they have posted an agenda yet.
Jack
P.S. OK I checked and there are some nasty comments about returning muzzleloaders back to "traditional" muzzleloading guns and banning the modern muzzleloaders (whatever that means) but no mention of the pistol cartridges in the rifles. It takes about 18 months for an administrative rule change to happen. I'll be at the next meeting and report what happens.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 7, 2006 19:45:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Kyle had this on his list for the next administrative rules change which would be presented next month at the NRC meeting. Let me go check and see if they have posted an agenda yet. Jack P.S. OK I checked and there are some nasty comments about returning muzzleloaders back to "traditional" muzzleloading guns and banning the modern muzzleloaders (whatever that means) but no mention of the pistol cartridges in the rifles. It takes about 18 months for an administrative rule change to happen. I'll be at the next meeting and report what happens. Jack, Where do you get that information from ?
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Post by gundude on Feb 8, 2006 8:19:52 GMT -5
From what I have seen and what I have been told concerning the use of "mdern" muzzleloaders is that it is intended to make the new "breech" loaded guns illegal.. HOWEVER I haven't seen the specifics of it all yet so I could be wrong! ( iS THAT POSSIBLE???/ Ill snoop around and see what I can find out... Im sure Jack will find all the info before I do. He's a pretty smart egg.... Only guy I know that has beagal that points! ;D Rifles cartridges will NOT happen for the upcoming season but that issue is far from dead.
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 8, 2006 12:37:31 GMT -5
Woody - that info was all available in the minutes from the last NRC meeting. Boring as heck but lengthy debate on muzzleloaders. Not hardly a peep on rifle cartridges in rifles. Some on pistols though.
Jack
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