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Post by jajwrigh on Sept 14, 2005 19:33:30 GMT -5
Why are these "pistol rounds" poor performers in rifle? The do just fine in standard length handguns barrels so why would increased velocity and energy decease the rounds performance?! There is no logic to this statement!!
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Post by mbogo on Sept 15, 2005 6:04:17 GMT -5
A .44 mag or .45 colt would closely duplicate the performance of an in-line and a .454 would slightly exceed it. Even a .357 mag is a whole lot better than a .410.
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Post by drs on Sept 15, 2005 6:40:22 GMT -5
[quote author=mbogo board=deerhunting thread=1126621551 post=1126729293[/quote]
I admire your enthusiasm but discussing issues and generating ideas is about all that can be accomplished on a forum. Unless of course one of our fellow members is actually Mr. Hupfer and happens to agree. ;D The best thing to do is bring the issue up for discussion any chance you get and make a strong case for it whenever the DNR has a hearing on proposed rule changes. [/quote]
I've already done that, and it fell on Deaf ears. I think there is too many anti-gun & anti-hunting people in the IDNR. If you like, I can look for the letter I wrote them a couple years ago and post it here.
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Post by drs on Sept 15, 2005 6:46:56 GMT -5
A .44 mag or .45 colt would closely duplicate the performance of an in-line and a .454 would slightly exceed it. Even a .357 mag is a whole lot better than a .410. My thoughts exactly! If they ever do legalize the use of "Pistol" cartridges in rifles I bet we'll see Deer Hunters "Dumping" their Slug barrels & Slug Shotguns and buying new .44 Magnum rifles. This would be a real boom for the Sporting Goods industry! The biggest complaint, I hear from Hunters that have mooved here from a State that allowed the use of Rifles for Deer is that the slugs (sabot or Foster) are too expensive, limited in range, and inaccurate when compaired to rifle ballistics.
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Post by steiny on Sept 15, 2005 17:54:47 GMT -5
I just think those pistol cartridges are a poor choice. Heck, if you're going to get centerfire approved, get the good stuff; .243, .270, 30-06, 7mm mag, .300 mag, etc.
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Post by drs on Sept 16, 2005 6:56:17 GMT -5
I just think those pistol cartridges are a poor choice. Heck, if you're going to get centerfire approved, get the good stuff; .243, .270, 30-06, 7mm mag, .300 mag, etc. The pistol cartridges memtioned ARE powerful enough for Deer. If the State of Indiana had a "Human" population of less than 50 people per Square Mile, and more hills or mountains then the Rifle cartridges like you mention would be fine. However, our state is way too "Urbanized" to allow long range ammo for hunting Deer. A nice light carbine or rifle chambered for the .44 Magnum has all the power needed to take Deer at 100 yards or less.
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 16, 2005 7:15:42 GMT -5
[quote author=drs board=deerhunting thread=1126621551 post=1126871777 The pistol cartridges memtioned ARE powerful enough for Deer. If the State of Indiana had a "Human" population of less than 50 people per Square Mile, and more hills or mountains then the Rifle cartridges like you mention would be fine. However, our state is way too "Urbanized" to allow long range ammo for hunting Deer. A nice light carbine or rifle chambered for the .44 Magnum has all the power needed to take Deer at 100 yards or less.[/quote]
I think 50 people per square mile is a bit exaggerated and slightly misleading , there are plenty of open areas in the rural parts where the houses are literally a mile apart and you might have 7-10 people per square mile . There's a lot more rural land here than urbanized .
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Post by mbogo on Sept 16, 2005 8:25:12 GMT -5
The problem, I think, is one of perceptions. The common perception is that a bullet fired from any rifle will travel for miles and miles, regardless of the actual cartridge being fired. Also, all Indiana is perceived to be flat and devoid of trees.
Pistol-caliber carbines are not significantly more or less effective than shotguns or muzzleloaders, but they do provide additional options. I have difficulty seeing where more choice is a bad thing especially given the benefits of these particular choices.
Steiny, while I'm leaning very, very slightly toward being in favor of any rifle I'm far from fully supportive of the idea. Given the number of people adamantly opposed to rifles, I doubt a change could be made without a big battle over the proposal. I do think a push for carbines has a chance though and they could act as "training wheels" while helping to answer questions about the suitability of rifles in general.
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Post by duff on Sept 16, 2005 10:00:02 GMT -5
A better option is to have a deer snaring season. Charge a bunch of money for a weekend tag. Set a limit of like 5 deer and lets cull that herd. I mean with the herd the size it is, the extra opportunity for Indiana sportsman, what better way to increase revinue and shrink the herd ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) ;D Disclaimer, this was an attempt at humor, for those unable to read sarcasim in my post. It is there. I'd hate to see anyone get bent out of shape by this.
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Post by drs on Sept 16, 2005 10:05:59 GMT -5
Where? This might have been true about 30 years ago, but one would be hard pressed in finding an area in Indiana where the "Human" population density is 7 people per Sq. mile.
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 16, 2005 15:50:46 GMT -5
Where? This might have been true about 30 years ago, but one would be hard pressed in finding an area in Indiana where the "Human" population density is 7 people per Sq. mile. 50 per square mile might be the statewide average for all I know , but once you get outside the northern and southern ends and Indy there just aren't that many people per square mile . I don't know what your experience is , but mine has been that there is far more farmland , forest , and other low density areas in this state than not . Take a look at a map that gives an indication of population densities and see if you don't agree . My county has a population of 30,000 , but the vast majority of them live within 5 miles of the county seat , the reat of the county is very rural . A good example of a semi-rural county . The county that I recently moved from had a population of 10,000 , which I think is probably pretty representative of Indiana rural counties without a major city or substantial sized town . I've traveled the state quite a bit , and I haven't been to very many places other than downtown Indy where I couldn't have confidently hunted with a long range weapon . To me it isn't the weapon or the cartridge , it's knowing what you can do and respecting the limitations . Perhaps centerfire could be introduced with proficiency certification as a prerequisite ? We already have HE just to hunt , would a PT be that much to ask for the priveledge of using centerfire long range weapons ?
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Post by drs on Sept 17, 2005 9:02:09 GMT -5
Where? This might have been true about 30 years ago, but one would be hard pressed in finding an area in Indiana where the "Human" population density is 7 people per Sq. mile. 50 per square mile might be the statewide average for all I know , but once you get outside the northern and southern ends and Indy there just aren't that many people per square mile . I don't know what your experience is , but mine has been that there is far more farmland , forest , and other low density areas in this state than not . Take a look at a map that gives an indication of population densities and see if you don't agree . My county has a population of 30,000 , but the vast majority of them live within 5 miles of the county seat , the reat of the county is very rural . A good example of a semi-rural county . The county that I recently moved from had a population of 10,000 , which I think is probably pretty representative of Indiana rural counties without a major city or substantial sized town . I've traveled the state quite a bit , and I haven't been to very many places other than downtown Indy where I couldn't have confidently hunted with a long range weapon . To me it isn't the weapon or the cartridge , it's knowing what you can do and respecting the limitations . Perhaps centerfire could be introduced with proficiency certification as a prerequisite ? We already have HE just to hunt , would a PT be that much to ask for the priveledge of using centerfire long range weapons ? Kevin, I live in Vanderburgh County and the "Human" population density is around 500 per sq. mile. What county do you reside in? Sounds like my type of County. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by multidigits on Sept 17, 2005 9:47:07 GMT -5
50 per square mile might be the statewide average for all I know , but once you get outside the northern and southern ends and Indy there just aren't that many people per square mile . I don't know what your experience is , but mine has been that there is far more farmland , forest , and other low density areas in this state than not . Take a look at a map that gives an indication of population densities and see if you don't agree . My county has a population of 30,000 , but the vast majority of them live within 5 miles of the county seat , the reat of the county is very rural . A good example of a semi-rural county . The county that I recently moved from had a population of 10,000 , which I think is probably pretty representative of Indiana rural counties without a major city or substantial sized town . I've traveled the state quite a bit , and I haven't been to very many places other than downtown Indy where I couldn't have confidently hunted with a long range weapon . To me it isn't the weapon or the cartridge , it's knowing what you can do and respecting the limitations . Perhaps centerfire could be introduced with proficiency certification as a prerequisite ? We already have HE just to hunt , would a PT be that much to ask for the priveledge of using centerfire long range weapons ? Kevin, I live in Vanderburgh County and the "Human" population density is around 500 per sq. mile. What county do you reside in? Sounds like my type of County. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Vanderburgh has 733 people per sq. mile, while the rest of Ind. avgs. 169.5 To shoot safely, all you have to do is make sure one of them is not in path with the bullet.
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Post by drs on Sept 17, 2005 10:23:55 GMT -5
Vanderburgh has 733 people per sq. mile, while the rest of Ind. avgs. 169.5 To shoot safely, all you have to do is make sure one of them is not in path with the bullet. I believe you are correct about the Population Density of Vanderburgh. I use to have a site where I could check all Indiana Counties but I deleted it. Would you happen to have that site? <Thanks>
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Post by multidigits on Sept 17, 2005 11:01:26 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Sept 17, 2005 11:15:36 GMT -5
Thank You, Multi.! I appreciete it! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 17, 2005 16:38:23 GMT -5
I live in Vanderburgh County and the "Human" population density is around 500 per sq. mile. What county do you reside in? Sounds like my type of County. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Harrison , about 30 miles from Louisville . Harrison's only "urbanized" areas are Corydon and Lanesville , the rest of the county is tiny one horse towns and lots of farmland . It's also very hilly .
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Post by multidigits on Sept 18, 2005 4:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Sept 18, 2005 7:12:55 GMT -5
I live in Vanderburgh County and the "Human" population density is around 500 per sq. mile. What county do you reside in? Sounds like my type of County. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Harrison , about 30 miles from Louisville . Harrison's only "urbanized" areas are Corydon and Lanesville , the rest of the county is tiny one horse towns and lots of farmland . It's also very hilly . Personally, I would like to move to Washington County. You don't hear much about this county, but I bet it would be more suitable for one interested in hunting, then say living in "Vanderburgh County" which is the PITS! Kevin, what can you tell me about Washington County? <THANKS!>
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