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Post by Decatur on Aug 15, 2006 7:12:30 GMT -5
Someone was talking about deer outfitters on here a while back. I found this site today. I'm sure there are more than this. I don't think I would book with someone named "Backwater Outlaws"! www.worldclassoutdoors.com/indiana_hunting.htm |
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 15, 2006 10:39:42 GMT -5
That's all I needed to read .
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Post by drs on Aug 15, 2006 14:46:17 GMT -5
Despicable!  All this outfit does is take away from the noble sport of hunting, for a profit. The State should outlaw this pratice NOW!!!! |
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Post by indianahick on Aug 15, 2006 14:59:06 GMT -5
I would almost bet that they are pro obr and definitely lease all of the property that they can get their hands on.
discusting.
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Post by drs on Aug 15, 2006 15:34:50 GMT -5
SO, People. Is the state going to set back and let these outfits take away our sport of hunting?? Don't you think it time for them to do something about this?? We're talking about Wildlife and Game animals that BELONG to the People of Indiana NOT to a few outfitters!!! |
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 15, 2006 16:18:35 GMT -5
Oh my goodness... you guys have uncovered some breaking news here. There are high fences and free-range guiding services in Indiana!!! Perhaps someone should write the governor or call the DNR or something! Let's hold public input meetings and see if anyone shows up to fight with us, we'll write articles in the paper and hope nobody questions the facts. Let's take it to court, get it in front of legislature and file injunctions!!
We could put all our faith in Joe Bacon and the Indiana Deer Hunters Association and see if he can win this massively important fight. Don't question why it's important, no facts required... let's all just act emotionally and see what happens-
Oh wait... been there, done that, didn't work. Guess we'll just have to live in an online dreamworld or deal with reality at some point. They're here... they don't affect you... and they're going to stay.
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Post by eelriver on Aug 15, 2006 16:50:19 GMT -5
Outfitters have ruined Iowa pheasant hunting around Iowa City. Once upon a time you could knock on a few doors and hunt plenty of ground.......today it is mostly leased to outfitters who want $125.00 to$150.00 per day per gun. I sure hope Indiana deer hunting doesn't follow suit.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 15, 2006 18:03:47 GMT -5
The sad truth is, it undoubtedly will
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Post by indianahick on Aug 15, 2006 18:31:35 GMT -5
They're here... they don't affect you... and they're going to stay. Actually since they are advertising unfenced (leased) hunting and are proponents of the obr. They do! |
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Post by steiny on Aug 15, 2006 19:28:16 GMT -5
Sounds like free enterprise to me.
I don't see anything wrong with it. Don't participate, if you don't like it.
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 15, 2006 23:23:36 GMT -5
Actually since they are advertising unfenced (leased) hunting and are proponents of the obr. They do! Sounds like your biggest adversary is the Indiana Deer Hunters Association. I do not agree with the OBR myself, because I do not feel we should push "Big Buck Management" on every single hunter out there... I hate to think we're turning hunters away or keeping folks from filling their freezers just in the name of 5% of the participants taking trophy deer. I hunt trophies, I guide professionally... but I don't want to infringe on the rights of fellow hunters to pursuit game in their own way. IN MOST CASES- What happens on guided hunts, leased ground or in preserves does not affect the average person because they simply didn't have the opportunity to hunt or trespass on that area in the first place. Simple as that. It amazes me to see people complaining about a guy managing deer on a farm he owns, leases or has permission on. Why do you care? How does it affect you if he lets 1-1/2 year olds walk, you have no right to be there... much less judge his management practices. That's the luxury of buying your own land, you can grow the trees/plants/fish and animals you want! Truth be told, outfitters don't care what type of deer you shoot... it doesn't affect them and their hunting as they can't or won't hunt the areas you do. I wish people would approach these things logically instead of impulsively throwing emotion at the situation. EelRiver, I haven't knocked on doors but I've sent some emails.... 12,000 acres and counting for my 4 day SE Iowa hunt this winter. 22,000 in Illinois, 90,000 here in Indiana. All private and I don't pay a dime. The hunting world is not all gloom and doom as some would have you to believe... the internet can be very misleading that way. Get out there and hunt however you want but don't soak up too many of these half-baked panic tactics. |
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Post by hoosier on Aug 16, 2006 0:04:51 GMT -5
124,000 acres??? I would like to know how you got this much ground by SENDING E-MAILS. Were these sent to total strangers that said "sure, have the run of the place!"? Please tell us more jrbhunter. If my math is correct, 124,000 acres equals nearly 195 SQUARE MILES!! Please tell us more.  ? |
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Post by drs on Aug 16, 2006 6:05:50 GMT -5
Outfitters have ruined Iowa pheasant hunting around Iowa City. Once upon a time you could knock on a few doors and hunt plenty of ground.......today it is mostly leased to outfitters who want $125.00 to$150.00 per day per gun. I sure hope Indiana deer hunting doesn't follow suit. Unless the State of Indiana gets off it's "Duff" and SERIOUSLY address this issue of leases & tries to place some type legislation into action; we'll loose our Hunting Heritage forever. I've written the State plus the IDNR concerning this cancerious growth and warned them of the end results of this leasing industry. You Guys also need to write or contact the State/INDR and voice your outrage too! |
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Post by 911 on Aug 16, 2006 6:10:12 GMT -5
You are against OBR because it cuts back on Whitetail Bluffs profits.
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Post by duff on Aug 16, 2006 8:40:46 GMT -5
Outfitters have ruined Iowa pheasant hunting around Iowa City. Once upon a time you could knock on a few doors and hunt plenty of ground.......today it is mostly leased to outfitters who want $125.00 to$150.00 per day per gun. I sure hope Indiana deer hunting doesn't follow suit. Unless the State of Indiana gets off it's "Duff" ... DRS, I don't appreciate you pulling me into this debate, if you continue to harrass me I will be forced to take action...sound familuar? Continue the debate but please LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Sorry I couldn't help myself ;D |
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 16, 2006 8:48:55 GMT -5
Unless the State of Indiana gets off it's "Duff" ... DRS, I don't appreciate you pulling me into this debate, if you continue to harrass me I will be forced to take action...sound familuar? Continue the debate but please LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Sorry I couldn't help myself ;D
I saw the "Duff" too and thought Duff ain't going to like that.
Maybe change to to "Keister". I don't think we have any "Keisters" on here.  |
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 16, 2006 9:49:13 GMT -5
Hoosier I only sent emails to Iowa... and posted a "Hunt Swap" type of listing on a couple websites. Only in Iowa did I go that route... and I started last week. In other states I've had friends/family or personally dug up properties to hunt. I'm not sure if your math is correct or not... didn't check it... but that's about half of the private land I have access too in the US. Must be my superior people skills! LOL
911, you really are a trip. I have no personal gain either way the OBR goes. My deer hunting isn't affected by what other Indiana hunters do... you can't hunt where I can so shoot what you want! Guiding services aren't affected either, no matter how you want to twist it. It really is funny to see you posting, sort of proves the theory that you'll type no matter how little you know about the subject matter.
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Post by dec on Aug 17, 2006 11:42:01 GMT -5
jrbhunter, you'll have to forgive the masses here. You see, many believe that prior to OBR hunting in Indiana was the crem-de-la-crem in the U.S. Then that nasty evil OBR destroyed hunting forever (OK, just 5 years) and let all you outfitters, leasers, guides, and other heathens into our state. In doing so, many of us who have never leased or guided or outfitted have now been lumped in with you evil people.  Never mind the laws of our State, those on Hunting Indiana know best. Oh yea, I'm pro OBR, so they can't stand me either because I'm evil, but I'm really not losing any sleep over it. |
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 17, 2006 21:54:51 GMT -5
Oh my goodness... you guys have uncovered some breaking news here. There are high fences and free-range guiding services in Indiana!!! Perhaps someone should write the governor or call the DNR or something! Let's hold public input meetings and see if anyone shows up to fight with us, we'll write articles in the paper and hope nobody questions the facts. Let's take it to court, get it in front of legislature and file injunctions!! We could put all our faith in Joe Bacon and the Indiana Deer Hunters Association and see if he can win this massively important fight. Don't question why it's important, no facts required... let's all just act emotionally and see what happens- Oh wait... been there, done that, didn't work. Guess we'll just have to live in an online dreamworld or deal with reality at some point. They're here... they don't affect you... and they're going to stay. Of course they affect us all-the same way prostitutes affect us whether we visit them or not-it cheapens a very natural, beautiful thing. |
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 17, 2006 21:58:53 GMT -5
jrbhunter, you'll have to forgive the masses here. You see, many believe that prior to OBR hunting in Indiana was the crem-de-la-crem in the U.S. Then that nasty evil OBR destroyed hunting forever (OK, just 5 years) and let all you outfitters, leasers, guides, and other heathens into our state. In doing so, many of us who have never leased or guided or outfitted have now been lumped in with you evil people. Never mind the laws of our State, those on Hunting Indiana know best. Oh yea, I'm pro OBR, so they can't stand me either because I'm evil, but I'm really not losing any sleep over it. Why would you lose any sleep? You`ve had your management preferences shoved down all of our throats. OBR is a silly regulation, that doesn`t even accomplish the intended results, although, if you read the fairy-tails, certain groups will lull you to sleep with stories of mythical P&Y, and B&C bucks. |
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