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Post by esshup on Mar 3, 2023 0:50:52 GMT -5
Greg, with all your opinions about the legalities of this stuff, you need to take this class. massadayoobgroup.com/mag-20-classroom/After you do then you can come back and tell us about what we should or should not do. I did and it opened my eyes to a LOT of things that could happen, and what it would cost someone to defend themselves even if they are in the right, let alone what it would cost them if they were in a grey area. I will listen to a person that is a professional witness and has experience in these things vs. someone that isn't. You got any cases you can reference where someone used a reloaded round to defend themselves legally,then the guy that done the reloading was sued or charged? BTW… I talked with a LEO yesterday about defending one self with a reloaded round and the reloader being sued or charged. He reply was “Do what… who came up with that idea” Let me see if I can find one.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 3, 2023 12:32:01 GMT -5
So the deal is done! I decided to take the high road and thus, he has a few Bass Pro gift cards. I have the rifle.
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Post by esshup on Mar 3, 2023 13:53:19 GMT -5
So the deal is done! I decided to take the high road and thus, he has a few Bass Pro gift cards. I have the rifle. GREAT!! Give it a good cleaning (also clean the magazine feed tube in the stock and the pusher rod) and you will like it.
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Post by esshup on Mar 3, 2023 14:31:08 GMT -5
Greg, with all your opinions about the legalities of this stuff, you need to take this class. massadayoobgroup.com/mag-20-classroom/After you do then you can come back and tell us about what we should or should not do. I did and it opened my eyes to a LOT of things that could happen, and what it would cost someone to defend themselves even if they are in the right, let alone what it would cost them if they were in a grey area. I will listen to a person that is a professional witness and has experience in these things vs. someone that isn't. You got any cases you can reference where someone used a reloaded round to defend themselves legally,then the guy that done the reloading was sued or charged? BTW… I talked with a LEO yesterday about defending one self with a reloaded round and the reloader being sued or charged. He reply was “Do what… who came up with that idea” ] Greg: Read this: www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/the-peculiar-problem-of-handloads-in-self-defense-shootings.821474/
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 3, 2023 14:58:31 GMT -5
All I have done to the rifle so far is a quick external and bore cleaning. Twas a very dusty and dirty gun. Here are a few pics. The gun as I received it, scope attached with sling swivels but no front and rear sights: The Model engraved 151-M (and I'm not sure but the small case 'a' in parentheses)? And I'm guessing a Mossberg M4c scope? I'll get to the range asap to fire and see how it functions.
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Post by esshup on Mar 3, 2023 16:20:44 GMT -5
Correct on all counts. I'm seeing the (a) variant made in 1947-1948 only. My (b) is from '48-'54.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 3, 2023 17:54:17 GMT -5
I don’t see where the reloader (third party) was sued or charged(unless I missed it)… Interesting read about a shooting it seems though and investigating thoughts. People make and sell reloads all the time some actually have a license to do so. Biggest liability with reloading is the person shooting the Gun and damage to the gun IMO As Guy Relford(Criminal Lawyer)said in one of his shows in the past about reloading and SD. “Very seldom does anyone look at ammunition in a LEGAL shooting unless it something very special”
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 3, 2023 20:53:28 GMT -5
We got to the range a bit, before heading to another grandson’s volleyball tournament. Sure enough, the rifle is jammin’! 😢 Tried different ammo and it made no improvement! Failures to eject and stovepipes mostly! So, I’ll start watching some videos, break the rifle down and try to find a fix!
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Post by esshup on Mar 3, 2023 22:39:53 GMT -5
We got to the range a bit, before heading to another grandson’s volleyball tournament. Sure enough, the rifle is jammin’! 😢 Tried different ammo and it made no improvement! Failures to eject and stovepipes mostly! So, I’ll start watching some videos, break the rifle down and try to find a fix! Clean, clean, clean. Don't forget to use a pick and solvent to clean out the ejections slots in the chamber. Take bolt apart to clean, clean the tube in the stock and the tube that holds the spring. Lightly oil and re-assemble everything. Only use a drop of oil on the pivot points of the trigger assembly.
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Post by jtkelly on Mar 4, 2023 0:24:14 GMT -5
You could still be sued if something would happen but that does help you. You’re right, Greg! In this day and age, you can sue anybody for just about anything! I guess it all depends on the amount of risk a person wants to take! I wouldn't do it. Especially not with someone I don't know well already. I'd rather just buy them a box of shells for trade.
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Post by jtkelly on Mar 4, 2023 0:30:46 GMT -5
I believe that rifle may have an adjustment you can make for it to be tuned specifically to S,L, or LR. It is a built in feature. I read about it one time in some old rifle information. Might try google or Bing to search the model number. That is how I would have found it out.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 4, 2023 12:28:51 GMT -5
So far, I've found that this thing has probably not been disassembled or cleaned for decades. First, I find that this pin was halfway out and inserted cock-eyed: And the arrows depict 2 more problems. The feed ramp was absolutely gunked up with carbon and dirt so I cleaned that. The second arrow points to a screw that was not tight. I read on an internet manual that this screw must be appropriately tightened to allow for proper feeding and extraction. I guess I'll find out if my adjustment is correct once I get the process complete:
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 4, 2023 13:20:46 GMT -5
I just love following your “work” on things like this. Making the old new again!
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Mar 4, 2023 14:50:50 GMT -5
I agree. It’s neat to watch/read along with these projects. I learn new things along the way as well.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 4, 2023 17:42:09 GMT -5
The bolt assembly is disassembled and soaking in cleaner as I now head to a grandson's birthday party!
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Post by esshup on Mar 5, 2023 1:08:36 GMT -5
Do you have an ultrasonic cleaner?
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 5, 2023 7:16:43 GMT -5
Do you have an ultrasonic cleaner? No. Unfortunately I don’t! So most cleaning is each disassembled part, various solvents and cleaners, emery cloth, steel wool, etc. Hit with compressed air and repeat as necessary.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Mar 5, 2023 8:01:37 GMT -5
Funny that your source states that the screw has to be tightened appropriately. I had a mechanism I was working with at work at one point I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why it wouldn't feed material correctly, turns out I had overtightened the housing, this would not let the feeder perform correctly. I reset my housing bolts to "finger tight" and BAM that thing was off and running. Just food for thought, there may be a sweet spot there.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 5, 2023 9:05:22 GMT -5
As the pic below shows, the firing pin was a mess. I could barely get it to move. After soaking, I could move it but I couldn't figure out how to remove it from the slotted body. It took some searching and finally I found a resource that explained that the peened marks (red arrow) are there to hold the firing pin in place. a Good sidebar Lesson here...if it don't budge, don't force it. Literally, all I needed to do was lift the firing pin at ~30 degree angle and slide it off the BACK of the bolt. Some Kroil and emery cloth worked well on both parts. With some minimal oiling of pivot areas as recommended by the Mossberg bolt assembly guide, I'm ready to reassemble and see if we gained some performance.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 5, 2023 9:34:55 GMT -5
Now that I’ve got the rifle reassembled, I’ve realized that this Mossberg scope is not really gonna cut it. The glass is very discolored and I’m debating on the route to go since it came with no sights. So off to church I go, as I ponder my sight/scope options!
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