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Apr 19, 2022 3:29:14 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Apr 19, 2022 3:29:14 GMT -5
Picked up my 11-87 20ga. that I had drilled and tapped last night from a gun store. Brought it home and wasn't a fan of the base they used so I wanted to switch to a lower rise mount. I removed the base and attempted to mount the one I preferred. At this point I realized something wasn't right. On closer examination I found out that one of the holes wasn't drilled and tapped correctly and actually went in at an angle and wasn't tapped right. Looks like when they tapped it the stripped the threads out. To make matters worse, when I actually examined the base and screws I found that they cut the screw flush with the mount and glued it in to make it appear like it was screwed in. Apparent glue under the mount to try to hold it more firmly. Obviously an attempt to deceive me. Also when they went to drill the top the bit obviously walked and there is a dandy scratch on top. Called them back and all they said was bring it back and we'll look at it. Told them they had it for over two months and this was needed for turkey season. He said have it back in a day. During the whole conversation, no sorry. No acknowledgment about it. Nothing. Add that originally when I took it in it was going to be a three hole mount and pay for three holes. This was a four hole mount without my consent but went ahead and payed for it.
How you guys handle this? More info after I talk to them today to see how they'll handle it.
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Post by treetop on Apr 19, 2022 4:36:02 GMT -5
I’d do just that go in and talk to them they may own the mistake and take care of you. If not not I’m not sure what I’d do probably pick the gun up and go to another gunsmith see what could be done, unfortunately it comes down them and how much they value the reputation of the company and customers
You could take legal action but the cost is probably more than the gun is worth
The best advice I can give is stay calm show them your concern and be reasonable as a rule most people will work with you and step up a lot more than someone that comes in yelling and making unrealistic demands
Best of luck
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Apr 19, 2022 5:22:54 GMT -5
Post by saltydog on Apr 19, 2022 5:22:54 GMT -5
I would have mixed feelings on this. In one way I would want them to make it right and another way they had there chance. A good Gunsmith/machinist would have done what ever it took to do the job right the first time.
As treetop stated stay cool and strongly voice your concerns. Good luck with your situation, keep us posted.
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Apr 19, 2022 6:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Apr 19, 2022 6:01:13 GMT -5
Really don’t think there’s any way to fix this as in fix the holes and remount it.
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Apr 19, 2022 6:37:44 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Apr 19, 2022 6:37:44 GMT -5
My concern is that the only way I see to fix is to get a bigger tap. The issue with that is most, if not all tap screws are standard thread and size. If I ever decide to take the mount off, I won't be able to get flush mount screws to be able to use without screws sticking up into sight picture.
My other concern is that if it was as simple as using a larger tap, why didn't he. Seems the mistake could very easily have been hidden. Gluing a screw in to make it look like it was done correctly seems like it may be hiding a larger issue. May take it in today to see what he says but not allow him to do anything until I let another gunsmith look at it to determine the proper way to proceed
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Apr 19, 2022 6:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Apr 19, 2022 6:43:05 GMT -5
I’d do just that go in and talk to them they may own the mistake and take care of you. If not not I’m not sure what I’d do probably pick the gun up and go to another gunsmith see what could be done, unfortunately it comes down them and how much they value the reputation of the company and customers You could take legal action but the cost is probably more than the gun is worth The best advice I can give is stay calm show them your concern and be reasonable as a rule most people will work with you and step up a lot more than someone that comes in yelling and making unrealistic demands Best of luck I agree with the staying calm part. When I found out about it I called them and stated the issue and my concerns but stayed very calm. My question to you is. What are unrealistic demands in your mind?
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Post by greghopper on Apr 19, 2022 6:53:16 GMT -5
My concern is that the only way I see to fix is to get a bigger tap. The issue with that is most, if not all tap screws are standard thread and size. If I ever decide to take the mount off, I won't be able to get flush mount screws to be able to use without screws sticking up into sight picture. My other concern is that if it was as simple as using a larger tap, why didn't he. Seems the mistake could very easily have been hidden. Gluing a screw in to make it look like it was done correctly seems like it may be hiding a larger issue. May take it in today to see what he says but not allow him to do anything until I let another gunsmith look at it to determine the proper way to proceed Post a pic of what was done...That will make it easier to advise a repair! bullseye69 on here can probably give some good advice.
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Post by oldhoyt on Apr 19, 2022 7:00:12 GMT -5
I don't know if the person you will talk to (business owner?) is the same person that did the work, but there's a lot that went wrong. First, they installed a different mount without your consent. If there was a reason that the mount you wanted could not work, you should have been consulted. But they took it upon themselves to go ahead. This shows they really don't care what you want. Then they boogered the job with bad machining. Then they tried to hide their mistakes, pass shoddy work on to you, take your money and hope you'd be none the wiser. This shows they, or at the very least, the guy that did the work has no integrity.
I would show them the incorrect mount, bad work, etc., and have them explain how they will fix it to your satisfaction at no additional cost. If they give you a line of BS, tell them you're taking the gun to a qualified machinist to get it fixed and will be bringing them the bill. If they don't agree to this get the owner involved (if he isn't already). If they still won't agree to make it right, I think it's fair to let everyone know the name of this business so we can be sure to tell everyone we know to avoid using them in the future.
Hopefully you have another gun to hunt with. I think it may take a while to get this resolved.
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Apr 19, 2022 7:39:33 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Apr 19, 2022 7:39:33 GMT -5
My concern is that the only way I see to fix is to get a bigger tap. The issue with that is most, if not all tap screws are standard thread and size. If I ever decide to take the mount off, I won't be able to get flush mount screws to be able to use without screws sticking up into sight picture. My other concern is that if it was as simple as using a larger tap, why didn't he. Seems the mistake could very easily have been hidden. Gluing a screw in to make it look like it was done correctly seems like it may be hiding a larger issue. May take it in today to see what he says but not allow him to do anything until I let another gunsmith look at it to determine the proper way to proceed Post a pic of what was done...That will make it easier to advise a repair! bullseye69 on here can probably give some good advice. I'll message my buddy duff later and see if he can post pictures. I've never been able to figure it out
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Post by duff on Apr 19, 2022 7:49:00 GMT -5
Post a pic of what was done...That will make it easier to advise a repair! bullseye69 on here can probably give some good advice. I'll message my buddy duff later and see if he can post pictures. I've never been able to figure it out Send the gun over. We can fill the holes with my stick welder and mount your scope with bubble gum. Trust me bro. I have been at this for at least 12 minutes.
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Post by duff on Apr 19, 2022 8:05:11 GMT -5
Here you go Greg. I vote gorilla glue followed by jb weld
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Post by duff on Apr 19, 2022 8:06:23 GMT -5
Post a pic of what was done...That will make it easier to advise a repair! bullseye69 on here can probably give some good advice. I'll message my buddy duff later and see if he can post pictures. I've never been able to figure it out Another one
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Post by duff on Apr 19, 2022 8:07:47 GMT -5
Not sure why these didn't post...
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Post by deadeer on Apr 19, 2022 8:13:03 GMT -5
I'm not a gunsmith. But I dont see why the holes could not go up to next size, and chamfer the base accordingly.
I will let Bullseye69 know he is being summoned on this.
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Post by bullseye69 on Apr 19, 2022 8:26:02 GMT -5
If it were me, I wouldn't even give them a chance to correct what they couldn't do right the first time. What would make anyone think they could fix what should have been an easy job. What size screw is it tapped for? It should be fixable if the holes aren't on the biggest size for scope bases. I could plug the holes with screw hole blanks and then do it correctly with the base you wanted on it.
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Post by bullseye69 on Apr 19, 2022 8:30:08 GMT -5
If it were me, I wouldn't even give them a chance to correct what they couldn't do right the first time. What would make anyone think they could fix what should have been an easy job. What size screw is it tapped for? It should be fixable if the holes aren't on the biggest size for scope bases. I could plug the holes with screw hole blanks and then do it correctly with the base you wanted on it. And I would make sure everyone knows aboot their shoddy work......if I had fakebook, but I dont.
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Apr 19, 2022 8:34:52 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Apr 19, 2022 8:34:52 GMT -5
I'm not a gunsmith. But I dont see why the holes could not go up to next size, and chamfer the base accordingly. I will let Bullseye69 know he is being summoned on this. Exactly…. I wouldn’t let them do it unless I watched and it should be Free…
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Post by bullseye69 on Apr 19, 2022 9:05:22 GMT -5
I'm not a gunsmith. But I dont see why the holes could not go up to next size, and chamfer the base accordingly. I will let Bullseye69 know he is being summoned on this. Exactly…. I wouldn’t let them do it unless I watched and it should be Free… For insurance reasons ,they prolly can't let you watch. Just a guess.
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Apr 19, 2022 9:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Apr 19, 2022 9:46:58 GMT -5
If it were me, I wouldn't even give them a chance to correct what they couldn't do right the first time. What would make anyone think they could fix what should have been an easy job. What size screw is it tapped for? It should be fixable if the holes aren't on the biggest size for scope bases. I could plug the holes with screw hole blanks and then do it correctly with the base you wanted on it. I know nothing about screw hole blanks or gunsmithing. I think the original problem was the one that if you look real close is "wallowed" out that the threads go in at an angle. Is that something fixable? As far as screw hole size, that I don't know. I'm going back over there here in a little bit to see what their suggestion is on fixing it. Not sure I'm going to let them until I get another opinion. Just not happy that I'm $140 into it and worse off than before
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Post by bullseye69 on Apr 19, 2022 9:57:45 GMT -5
If it were me, I wouldn't even give them a chance to correct what they couldn't do right the first time. What would make anyone think they could fix what should have been an easy job. What size screw is it tapped for? It should be fixable if the holes aren't on the biggest size for scope bases. I could plug the holes with screw hole blanks and then do it correctly with the base you wanted on it. I know nothing about screw hole blanks or gunsmithing. I think the original problem was the one that if you look real close is "wallowed" out that the threads go in at an angle. Is that something fixable? As far as screw hole size, that I don't know. I'm going back over there here in a little bit to see what their suggestion is on fixing it. Not sure I'm going to let them until I get another opinion. Just not happy that I'm $140 into it and worse off than before It should be fixable one way or another. But I wouldn't trust them. I would ask for my money back!
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