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Post by tynimiller on Sept 25, 2021 22:25:20 GMT -5
Man I just have to say it and I'm sure I'll ruffle feathers but, I dislike posts like this as much as I do the "needed another year" posts. Absolutely drives me crazy. By saying "shoot what makes you happy" is the same to me. Idk. Just seems another way to get into people's business. The fact of "many are lying" is ridiculous. I was about a trophy bow hunter as one could get. Never even counted hours on stand, it was counted in days. Literally could have bought a house for what I payed chasing a "world class" muley over the years. When I pulled the trigger finally what ol Joe was going to think didn't even cross my mind. Don't know why this irks me but I view these post as someone giving someone the "okay" to do what they want. I don't worry about what someone else is thinking or quite honestly care. You want to shoot a 180 then shoot it. You want to shoot a yearling doe, knock your socks off. Everyone worrying about everyone else and giving someone else the okay. I don't associate with anyone that would care what anyone else shot and don't with anyone that worries what they'd be thought of. If you did, well we don't stay friends long. Matter of fact, most I associate hope their buddies shoot the biggest deer of their life but we also pray every night that they bring home a button buck. We are brutal but we just don't care. IT'S JUST A DEER. Rant over. So I've read and reread and I guess I'm not following where the beef is with what I said due to what I'm reading you say. Clearly with the style and thoughts included in my statements I am writing to those that are new, young, consume hunting content or active on social media; clearly it isn't written for those well established or seasoned hunters void of any real care or thought process to caring about what others' thoughts are. I'm seeking to understand how expressing to someone to make their own decisions solely by themselves contradicts what you said above? Perhaps you read more into what I wrote, I have no clue, but my goal was almost verbatim for hunters to have the same attitude you describe you have. Shoot what they want to shoot, regardless of any other thought which may or may not exist. If that message is the same as "needed another year" I will be the first to raise my hand and say I'm absolutely lost, because I'm not following at all. Look forward to understanding more when you respond, you know I hold a lot of respect for you span870 - so look forward to it!
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Post by span870 on Sept 26, 2021 6:49:21 GMT -5
Okay. I'll try to explain it best I can.
Deer needs another year....projecting ones own thoughts into what someone should do or what is proper or okay.
What you wrote...projecting ones own thoughts into what someone should do or what is proper or okay.
"You", and I put that in quotes to infer anyone so this doesn't turn into a back and forth, just letting people know it's okay, giving permission to shoot whatever they feel like. To me these articles are just a projection on the whole participation trophy generation mindset. Everyone needs a hug and told their decision is okay with others. If someone shoots something and says not my biggest, guess what. It's probably not. If someone shoots something and worries what ol Joe is going to think, so what. That's his style of hunting. He wants to out do ol Joe. Him hunting that way is the way he hunts. Why do "you" feel the need to pat him on their back and tell him it's okay buddy, it's okay. Same with it needs another year. Why do they need to feel like they need to project their thoughts and say it's not. There has been 1000 articles written about it every year. We get it.
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Post by deadeer on Sept 26, 2021 7:01:28 GMT -5
Go back before smart phones with cameras came on scene. A different world.
I like to watch along and post in the "live from the stand" section just to distract myself from boredom, pass the time, and see if any deer are moving for fellow brothers. I never look for approval or sympathy, just like to show or take in what another persons perspective is sometimes.
My mind, attitude, expectations, etc are changing since I am teaching and sharing the experience now with my boy. Giving him the opportunities to try things and seeing his likes/dislikes is rewarding enough for me.
Everybody has to do their own thing.
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 26, 2021 9:26:39 GMT -5
I do understand more now but Iâd stress a couple things; one if you think Iâm trying to project my opinion on folks or that I want them thinking of my thoughts when they make a 100% personal decision than I utterly failed in this write up and perhaps how Iâve conveyed myself over the years as well.
Zero participation trophies here, depending on a hunters goals their harvests while justified in that they are there very well could be a failure weighed against their goals. Not my place to do that grading however unless asked.
In the end all I want folks to understand is hunting is a personal thing, one which folks pursue from an innumerable different angles - donât let other control their own.
Perhaps I utterly sucked at trigger thoughts or reflectionâŠor perhaps some took it completely off base - I donât know but all I can do is clarify intent and hope it triggers critical thinking in some hunters minds especially young, new or those consuming tons of âhunting contentâ.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 26, 2021 9:56:49 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm gonna kill a bigger buck than any of you fellers this year, and I don't give a hoot what any of you think about it!
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 26, 2021 9:58:33 GMT -5
My maturity, if that's the right word, into deer hunting has evolved a lot over the years.
I began hunting with my dad and he was the only real source of information I cared about. Although I still read Field and Stream because I truly enjoyed Jim Shocky , T.E.N., David Petzel and, of course, Bill Heavey. Dad was a mature buck hunter. Not so much rack score but, he liked targeting and shooting old deer. He was very patient. I did pass on deer as not to want to disappoint him by shooting something he let walk. He would chastise me for that at times. He knew then that I would have been happy with it and that I'm not there to please him. He'd be excited for me no matter what I shot.
After his passing, I tried getting into self filming. Bought camera equipment, used decoys (still do use decoys) I bought trail cams and checked them religiously. Hunting started feeling more like work than hunting. Truth was, I was trying to fill that void. I kept myset so busy out there so I would try and hide the absence of my best friend and mentor. I ran that circuit for a few years.
I stopped filming for the most part but would take the camera from time to time just because. I continued obsessing over trail cams.
Finally, last year, MY style or sense of hunting started to evolve again. I slowed down on the cameras (checking them, not hanging them). I had such a peace about shooting whatever made me happy and not really caring about others opinions. I know I used the phrase "not my biggest buck" last year when I sent it out to friends but, it wasn't. I also follows up with how happy I was to have him. It was a fun hunt for me. It was a great season all around actually.
This year, my brother in law purchased an 84 acre farm with the Iroquois River running right through it. I gave him all my cameras and SD cards to use so he could scout. Although I do like seeing bucks on camera and getting somewhat of a doe inventory, the cameras won't bring them in so whatever I see (or was going to see) won't have anything to do with the cameras.
I use to obsess over how many deer my neighbors killed. Now I have the mindset that as long as it's legal, ethical and they're happy with, have at it.
There are some nice bucks in .my area and of course I'd like to wrap my tag around one. But, I get just as excited for the neighbors when they do.
All that envy of hunting time, worrying about them shooting "my deer" or the one "I was saving for next year" is out the window. Those days are behind me.
I can give two craps if someone wears $900 camo or $19 camo. Uses a $199 RTS bow package or a $3,500 crossbow. I can go on and on but I'm sure you all get the point.
Hunt the way you want to hunt. Don't condem others for how they hunt. (As long as it's ethical and legal of course) All the stuff I mentioned above might seem like rubbish to some but, it's who I was and who I am now. I make no apologies for that and neither should any of you.
And for the love of God (or at least your kneesđ€Ș) wear a life line and safety harness! Lol!
Limping off my soap box now.
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 26, 2021 9:59:45 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm gonna kill a bigger buck than any of you fellers this year, and I don't give a hoot what any of you think about it! Love it!!!!
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 26, 2021 10:10:02 GMT -5
My maturity, if that's the right word, into deer hunting has evolved a lot over the years. I began hunting with my dad and he was the only real source of information I cared about. Although I still read Field and Stream because I truly enjoyed Jim Shocky , T.E.N., David Petzel and, of course, Bill Heavey. Dad was a mature buck hunter. Not so much rack score but, he liked targeting and shooting old deer. He was very patient. I did pass on deer as not to want to disappoint him by shooting something he let walk. He would chastise me for that at times. He knew then that I would have been happy with it and that I'm not there to please him. He'd be excited for me no matter what I shot. After his passing, I tried getting into self filming. Bought camera equipment, used decoys (still do use decoys) I bought trail cams and checked them religiously. Hunting started feeling more like work than hunting. Truth was, I was trying to fill that void. I kept myset so busy out there so I would try and hide the absence of my best friend and mentor. I ran that circuit for a few years. I stopped filming for the most part but would take the camera from time to time just because. I continued obsessing over trail cams. Finally, last year, MY style or sense of hunting started to evolve again. I slowed down on the cameras (checking them, not hanging them). I had such a peace about shooting whatever made me happy and not really caring about others opinions. I know I used the phrase "not my biggest buck" last year when I sent it out to friends but, it wasn't. I also follows up with how happy I was to have him. It was a fun hunt for me. It was a great season all around actually. This year, my brother in law purchased an 84 acre farm with the Iroquois River running right through it. I gave him all my cameras and SD cards to use so he could scout. Although I do like seeing bucks on camera and getting somewhat of a doe inventory, the cameras won't bring them in so whatever I see (or was going to see) won't have anything to do with the cameras. I use to obsess over how many deer my neighbors killed. Now I have the mindset that as long as it's legal, ethical and they're happy with, have at it. There are some nice bucks in .my area and of course I'd like to wrap my tag around one. But, I get just as excited for the neighbors when they do. All that envy of hunting time, worrying about them shooting "my deer" or the one "I was saving for next year" is out the window. Those days are behind me. I can give two craps if someone wears $900 camo or $19 camo. Uses a $199 RTS bow package or a $3,500 crossbow. I can go on and on but I'm sure you all get the point. Hunt the way you want to hunt. Don't condem others for how they hunt. (As long as it's ethical and legal of course) All the stuff I mentioned above might seem like rubbish to some but, it's who I was and who I am now. I make no apologies for that and neither should any of you. And for the love of God (or at least your kneesđ€Ș) wear a life line and safety harness! Lol! Limping off my soap box now. A-stinking-men brother!!!!
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Post by duff on Sept 26, 2021 10:13:26 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm gonna kill a bigger buck than any of you fellers this year, and I don't give a hoot what any of you think about it! When you have them trained to the rattling of field corn in a coffee can along with the hum of your mouth breathing it is more like cheating
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 26, 2021 10:21:58 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm gonna kill a bigger buck than any of you fellers this year, and I don't give a hoot what any of you think about it! When you have them trained to the rattling of field corn in a coffee can along with the hum of your mouth breathing it is more like cheating I see I'm going to have to stop posting my instructional videos on YouTube. Too many haters.
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 26, 2021 10:30:33 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm gonna kill a bigger buck than any of you fellers this year, and I don't give a hoot what any of you think about it! When you have them trained to the rattling of field corn in a coffee can along with the hum of your mouth breathing it is more like cheating Rolling on the floor đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 26, 2021 12:01:18 GMT -5
I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT DEER HUNTING ANYMORE! LOL!
Seriously, I haven't shot a buck since 2017, haven't hunted with a bow or muzzleloader in three seasons, and the last two firearms seasons consisted of a single doe harvest each year. I just lost all excitement for it, and for over 20 years it was pretty much all I thought about. I don't know what brought this on, but early archery season starts in 5 days and I could care less.
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Post by deadeer on Sept 26, 2021 13:42:36 GMT -5
I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT DEER HUNTING ANYMORE! LOL! Seriously, I haven't shot a buck since 2017, haven't hunted with a bow or muzzleloader in three seasons, and the last two firearms seasons consisted of a single doe harvest each year. I just lost all excitement for it, and for over 20 years it was pretty much all I thought about. I don't know what brought this on, but early archery season starts in 5 days and I could care less. I am not far behind you! Probably maturing, work stress, physical ailments, nothing to prove to myself, let alone wanting to help the boy learn, all comes into play. I NEVER thought I would be saying all this or losing my desire. My god, look at my screen name. Lol. Ask me the same question right before gun season starts and I bet my mood will change! đ
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Post by welder on Sept 26, 2021 13:59:13 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm gonna kill a bigger buck than any of you fellers this year, and I don't give a hoot what any of you think about it! Fair enough, but would wait until the very last day of late archery season. THE FIRST LIAR DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE! LOL!
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 26, 2021 14:49:08 GMT -5
How many of the âdonât get as much out of it as I used toâ ones on here hunt with family, friends, kids,etc?
About 8 or 9 years ago I started pretty well hunting by myself. Not by choice though. Friends had moved on or passed away. I ended up the Last of the Mohicans in my area. A huge part of hunting for a lot of us is the fellowship that we enjoy prior to going to and after coming out from the stand.
To be honest I was at a point 4 years ago that I was ready to hang it upâŠ...then it happened. My grown grandson, who lived in Brooklyn NY at the time, and had never expressed an interest in hunting texted me - âGPA would you take me deer huntingâ? Absolutely I would! He has deer and Turkey hunted with me ever since.
Iâm reliving hunting through his eyes and enthusiasm. He is one of those rare individuals that absorbs everything that is going on around him and quite often relays his observances to me. Even though I may have seen or heard what he was experiencing a hundred times I just smile to myself and think âenjoy the ride Mattâ!
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Post by duff on Sept 26, 2021 15:12:08 GMT -5
How many of the âdonât get as much out of it as I used toâ ones on here hunt with family, friends, kids,etc? About 8 or 9 years ago I started pretty well hunting by myself. Not by choice though. Friends had moved on or passed away. I ended up the Last of the Mohicans in my area. A huge part of hunting for a lot of us is the fellowship that we enjoy prior to and after coming out from the stand. To be honest I was at a point 4 years ago that I was ready to hang it upâŠ...then it happened. My grown grandson, who lived in Brooklyn NY at the time, and had never expressed and interest in hunting texted me - âGPA would you take me deer huntingâ? Absolutely I would! He has deer and Turkey hunted with me ever since. Iâm reliving hunting through his eyes and enthusiasm. He is one of those rare individuals that absorbs everything that is going on around him and quite often relays his observances to me. Even though I may have seen or heard what he was experiencing a hundred times I just smile to myself and think âenjoy the ride Mattâ! I am hoping my kids decide they want to hunt soon...but if not I will fish more
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Post by span870 on Sept 26, 2021 15:22:26 GMT -5
How many of the âdonât get as much out of it as I used toâ ones on here hunt with family, friends, kids,etc? About 8 or 9 years ago I started pretty well hunting by myself. Not by choice though. Friends had moved on or passed away. I ended up the Last of the Mohicans in my area. A huge part of hunting for a lot of us is the fellowship that we enjoy prior to and after coming out from the stand. To be honest I was at a point 4 years ago that I was ready to hang it upâŠ...then it happened. My grown grandson, who lived in Brooklyn NY at the time, and had never expressed and interest in hunting texted me - âGPA would you take me deer huntingâ? Absolutely I would! He has deer and Turkey hunted with me ever since. Iâm reliving hunting through his eyes and enthusiasm. He is one of those rare individuals that absorbs everything that is going on around him and quite often relays his observances to me. Even though I may have seen or heard what he was experiencing a hundred times I just smile to myself and think âenjoy the ride Mattâ! I am hoping my kids decide they want to hunt soon...but if not I will fish more By kids you mean daughter I'd assume?
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Post by duff on Sept 26, 2021 15:24:17 GMT -5
I am hoping my kids decide they want to hunt soon...but if not I will fish more By kids you mean daughter I'd assume? Yep or my boy's girlfriend!
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