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Post by treetop on Mar 24, 2021 13:46:26 GMT -5
I believe lot faster than ten I’m thinking 5 maybe less Maybe Trump can play himself... Not sure he can probably can’t quit laughing so hard at Joes non crisis at the boarder The guy was a idiot in life but I truly believe his policies were good for this country and in less than a blink of a eye they got rid of them And yes I did vote for him both times
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 24, 2021 15:22:37 GMT -5
Still got to the 6th don’t believe it matters anymore every day I see more and more people not wearing it Seems like right after some of the other states went that direction I noticed it picking up I think one or two clients wore a mask around me in the last year. And it was never spoken of. Pretty sure none of them died
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Post by esshup on Mar 24, 2021 18:16:10 GMT -5
In WalMart last night, less than 50% of the people had them on. I will get my 2nd shot on the 31st. No problems with the first one. Saw a paper where people that had both shots were tested for traces of the virus. Only 2/10ths of one percent showed traces of the virus.
For me, after I get the 2nd shot I was planning on waiting 2 weeks then ditching the mask. I will have a nice calm conversation with anyone that wants me to wear it, but it won't change what I do. I could wear it and have it below my nose and comply, but not wearing it is wrong? Sorry, I'm betting my life on common sense.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Mar 24, 2021 19:24:05 GMT -5
I’ve never really believed the masks do anything to stop the virus. I just wear them if businesses asks because of the trouble they can get into from the health departments. In Florida now and they are doing away with the masks already. My wife, who is a teacher and wears a mask more than anyone I have seen, still got the virus and I nearly had to take her to the hospital. That really solidified my stance in the fact that these masks do nothing but give folks a false sense of security. I can’t say this virus is fake, because I saw first hand it can get bad quickly, but it was still blown way out of proportion. A great positive is it made work realize we can do everything they said must be done in the office from home, so I don’t see us ever going back to being in the office full time.
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Post by esshup on Mar 24, 2021 21:16:17 GMT -5
I’ve never really believed the masks do anything to stop the virus. I just wear them if businesses asks because of the trouble they can get into from the health departments. In Florida now and they are doing away with the masks already. My wife, who is a teacher and wears a mask more than anyone I have seen, still got the virus and I nearly had to take her to the hospital. That really solidified my stance in the fact that these masks do nothing but give folks a false sense of security. I can’t say this virus is fake, because I saw first hand it can get bad quickly, but it was still blown way out of proportion. A great positive is it made work realize we can do everything they said must be done in the office from home, so I don’t see us ever going back to being in the office full time. I agree with you about the masks not being effective. If that was the case, then OSHA wouldn't require mores stringent masks for dusty areas, and dust is a bigger particle than the virus. You can walk in the store with it over your beard, nose exposed and it still be OK as in "You are wearing a mask". A friend of a friend died because of the virus, and he was a very strict mask and glove person. Didn't do him any good.
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Post by genesis273 on Mar 24, 2021 21:32:54 GMT -5
I’ve never really believed the masks do anything to stop the virus. I just wear them if businesses asks because of the trouble they can get into from the health departments. In Florida now and they are doing away with the masks already. My wife, who is a teacher and wears a mask more than anyone I have seen, still got the virus and I nearly had to take her to the hospital. That really solidified my stance in the fact that these masks do nothing but give folks a false sense of security. I can’t say this virus is fake, because I saw first hand it can get bad quickly, but it was still blown way out of proportion. A great positive is it made work realize we can do everything they said must be done in the office from home, so I don’t see us ever going back to being in the office full time. I agree with you about the masks not being effective. If that was the case, then OSHA wouldn't require mores stringent masks for dusty areas, and dust is a bigger particle than the virus. You can walk in the store with it over your beard, nose exposed and it still be OK as in "You are wearing a mask". A friend of a friend died because of the virus, and he was a very strict mask and glove person. Didn't do him any good. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Especially since they were all about the mask and gloves. I'll continue to wear mine at the store. I know I've mentioned it before but, I'll say it again. My wife's a very unhealthy person. I would hate to bring it home to her. So I'll continue to clean everything that comes in to the house mail, groceries, etc... I'll still utilize my ozone closet for my uniforms and use the ozone generator in my vehicles. If there wasn't this new strand then maybe I'd relax some. But, it's here. My wife has friends across the pond (Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands and the U.K.). They say the new strand is no joke. I wear my mask because I fear for my wife's safety. Not because the government says I have to. I won't judge those who choose not to.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 24, 2021 22:01:11 GMT -5
I’ve never really believed the masks do anything to stop the virus. I just wear them if businesses asks because of the trouble they can get into from the health departments. In Florida now and they are doing away with the masks already. My wife, who is a teacher and wears a mask more than anyone I have seen, still got the virus and I nearly had to take her to the hospital. That really solidified my stance in the fact that these masks do nothing but give folks a false sense of security. I can’t say this virus is fake, because I saw first hand it can get bad quickly, but it was still blown way out of proportion. A great positive is it made work realize we can do everything they said must be done in the office from home, so I don’t see us ever going back to being in the office full time. I agree with you about the masks not being effective. If that was the case, then OSHA wouldn't require mores stringent masks for dusty areas, and dust is a bigger particle than the virus. You can walk in the store with it over your beard, nose exposed and it still be OK as in "You are wearing a mask". A friend of a friend died because of the virus, and he was a very strict mask and glove person. Didn't do him any good. In 2018 OSHA changed the silica dust standard...respirators and replaceable cartridges are pretty much the standard now. Along with water and vacuum use when making dust.Some are saying with Democratic’s In office the enforcement will rampant up more!
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Post by esshup on Mar 24, 2021 23:51:53 GMT -5
I agree with you about the masks not being effective. If that was the case, then OSHA wouldn't require mores stringent masks for dusty areas, and dust is a bigger particle than the virus. You can walk in the store with it over your beard, nose exposed and it still be OK as in "You are wearing a mask". A friend of a friend died because of the virus, and he was a very strict mask and glove person. Didn't do him any good. In 2018 OSHA changed the silica dust standard...respirators and replaceable cartridges are pretty much the standard now. Along with water and vacuum use when making dust.Some are saying with Democratic’s In office the enforcement will rampant up more! My point exactly. I know the answer, but why not implement the same standard for the virus? I have a beard, OSHA hates me. LOL
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Post by greghopper on Mar 25, 2021 0:01:39 GMT -5
Lol,Good luck enforcing that.... some people are exasperated now over a paper/cloth mask!
Ask the folks in the medical field they been using them for ever!
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Post by firstwd on Mar 25, 2021 4:55:00 GMT -5
Glad to see the masks go away. I'm not convinced they were doing any good (for our health) in the first place. Also a bit suspect of the vaccine and have not gotten it. Several friends got quite sick from it. I suppose I'll get it if they make it mandatory for travel of airlines? With all due respect, I have to disagree with your position that masks weren't doing any good. The corona virus is spread like other viruses such as the flu. This season the flu numbers have been down substantially and a good part of the reason (according to health experts) is because of the social distancing, hand washing and mask wearing that people have been doing to help slow the spread of the corona virus. www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-yearMy medical field friends have told me they just didn't do flu tests around here, every "flu like symptoms" person was marked down as covid and told to follow those protocols no matter what the covid test came back as.
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Post by duff on Mar 25, 2021 6:48:04 GMT -5
This mess has been interesting, frustrating and historical in many ways.
I wear a mask in stores that post the requirements same as I wear a shirt and shoes. I don't have to agree with something to conform.
I have worked in many places that require respirators for certain people. Protection from dust to VX. I never thought it would be pushed onto general public. OSHA has no authority on how I wear a mask at home or in public. However they do have authority over the gas station owners, grocery stores, shops and restaurants that don't enforce mask wearing that may potentially expose their employees. The owners are in a no win spot. They can comply and make a section of the public mad but not face legal problems. They can ignore the mandates and face legal issues and make a portion of the population mad.
In my opinion, the masks were rolled out as an easy action that "leaders" felt were easy to implement, increased confidence that we may be doing something. Then it snowballed and here we are 1 year later...
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Post by greghopper on Mar 25, 2021 8:07:41 GMT -5
I’ve never really believed the masks do anything to stop the virus. I just wear them if businesses asks because of the trouble they can get into from the health departments. In Florida now and they are doing away with the masks already. My wife, who is a teacher and wears a mask more than anyone I have seen, still got the virus and I nearly had to take her to the hospital. That really solidified my stance in the fact that these masks do nothing but give folks a false sense of security. I can’t say this virus is fake, because I saw first hand it can get bad quickly, but it was still blown way out of proportion. A great positive is it made work realize we can do everything they said must be done in the office from home, so I don’t see us ever going back to being in the office full time. I believe many would love to work from home on Mondays and Fridays then go to office Tuesday, Wendsday and Thursday ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The next stimulus package needs to include better internet service across the country.IMO
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 25, 2021 8:41:56 GMT -5
With all due respect, I have to disagree with your position that masks weren't doing any good. The corona virus is spread like other viruses such as the flu. This season the flu numbers have been down substantially and a good part of the reason (according to health experts) is because of the social distancing, hand washing and mask wearing that people have been doing to help slow the spread of the corona virus. www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-yearMy medical field friends have told me they just didn't do flu tests around here, every "flu like symptoms" person was marked down as covid and told to follow those protocols no matter what the covid test came back as. My dad had a fairly common intestinal flu. The hospital nearly let him die testing him for covid over and over again before they gave up and got him one a good antibiotic to clear up his infection. They wanted that extra money
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Post by bill9068 on Mar 25, 2021 8:55:12 GMT -5
My youngest son works on communication towers and was in San Francisco for about a year during COVID-19. He had strep throat and went to a mec center to be treated , before they would see him he had to have 2 negative COVID-19 tests. Well as you can guess he suffered for a few days then the strep throat went away naturally. By the way he was negative on the first test and didn’t need the second.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 25, 2021 9:49:57 GMT -5
Glad to see the masks go away. I'm not convinced they were doing any good (for our health) in the first place. Also a bit suspect of the vaccine and have not gotten it. Several friends got quite sick from it. I suppose I'll get it if they make it mandatory for travel of airlines? With all due respect, I have to disagree with your position that masks weren't doing any good. The corona virus is spread like other viruses such as the flu. This season the flu numbers have been down substantially and a good part of the reason (according to health experts) is because of the social distancing, hand washing and mask wearing that people have been doing to help slow the spread of the corona virus. www.healthline.com/health-news/why-the-flu-season-basically-disappeared-this-yearWe didn't wear masks until my wife started her chemo treatments for leukemia. We also quit going into stores and restaurants at that time as her suppressed immune system would not be able to fight off ANY kind of illness. Well, on her third week of treatment she came down with COVID. The only two places we had been were the cancer treatment center and the hospital; both of which she was masked the entire time. A week later I took her to the emergency room and she was admitted to the hospital for COVID pneumonia and was in for 8 days and almost had to go on a ventilator. On the otherhand, I had a terrible headache for 5 days and just had other cold/allergy symptoms from the COVID. So as far as we are concerned...MASKS DON'T WORK!!!!
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Post by jjas on Mar 25, 2021 10:16:18 GMT -5
Omegahunter
Did anyone come into your house during that time without a mask? Did they wash their hands? Did you have food delivered to you? If so, did you wear gloves and/or wipe the packaging down? Did you go to the gas station and use the pump without washing your hands? Did you wash your hands after handling the mail?
Even if there is nothing you can think of, the reality is nothing is 100% when it comes to this virus. I hope you and your wife are feeling better now.
Did your doctor recommend that both of you should get the vaccine?
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 25, 2021 10:25:48 GMT -5
Omegahunter Did anyone come into your house during that time without a mask? Did they wash their hands? Did you have food delivered to you? If so, did you wear gloves and/or wipe the packaging down? Did you go to the gas station and use the pump without washing your hands? Did you wash your hands after handling the mail? Even if there is nothing you can think of, the reality is nothing is 100% when it comes to this virus. I hope you and your wife are feeling better now. Did your doctor recommend that both of you should get the vaccine? Zero visitors per doctor's orders. Nitrile gloves used at gas pumps and EVERYTHING from the WalMart pickup orders were wiped down with disinfectant wipes before brought in from the garage. We had zero contact except for her contact with the cancer center and hospital (I was not even allowed into the center or hospital per their rules). I caught it from my wife as we had no idea that she would have gotten it.
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Post by jjas on Mar 25, 2021 10:27:26 GMT -5
Omegahunter Did anyone come into your house during that time without a mask? Did they wash their hands? Did you have food delivered to you? If so, did you wear gloves and/or wipe the packaging down? Did you go to the gas station and use the pump without washing your hands? Did you wash your hands after handling the mail? Even if there is nothing you can think of, the reality is nothing is 100% when it comes to this virus. I hope you and your wife are feeling better now. Did your doctor recommend that both of you should get the vaccine? Zero visitors per doctor's orders. Nitrile gloves used at gas pumps and EVERYTHING from the WalMart pickup orders were wiped down with disinfectant wipes before brought in from the garage. We had zero contact except with her contact with the cancer center and hospital (I was not even allowed into the center or hospital per their rules). I caught it from my wife as we had no idea that she would have gotten it. As I stated before, nothing is 100% effective when trying to stop the spread of the virus and obviously somewhere along the way she was exposed. The gloves, masks, hand washing, social distancing, vaccines, etc are the best tools we have @ our disposal to fight the virus @ this time. They just aren't foolproof. Again, I hope you both are doing well and good luck in the future.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 25, 2021 10:43:45 GMT -5
Zero visitors per doctor's orders. Nitrile gloves used at gas pumps and EVERYTHING from the WalMart pickup orders were wiped down with disinfectant wipes before brought in from the garage. We had zero contact except with her contact with the cancer center and hospital (I was not even allowed into the center or hospital per their rules). I caught it from my wife as we had no idea that she would have gotten it. As I stated before, nothing is 100% effective when trying to stop the spread of the virus and obviously somewhere along the way she was exposed. The gloves, masks, hand washing, vaccines, etc are the best tools we have @ our disposal to fight the virus @ this time. They just aren't foolproof. Again, I hope you both are doing well and good luck in the future. We are back to "normal" and unbelievably, her blood labs drastically improved after she got over COVID. We are thinking the immune-boosting meds got her bloodwork turned around and they are staying in the normal range even though they have steadily increased her chemo since the middle of January. I will say that COVID seems to hit everyone a bit differently. For instance, her blood pressure (which is usually a bit higher than average even with meds) was running 90/60 the whole time she had COVID. When the nurse's reports started showing her BP coming up, I knew she was on her way out of COVID. Thanks for the well-wishes!
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Post by esshup on Mar 25, 2021 11:16:03 GMT -5
Did anyone come into your house during that time without a mask? Did they wash their hands? Did you have food delivered to you? If so, did you wear gloves and/or wipe the packaging down? Did you go to the gas station and use the pump without washing your hands? Did you wash your hands after handling the mail? Even if there is nothing you can think of, the reality is nothing is 100% when it comes to this virus. I hope you and your wife are feeling better now. Did your doctor recommend that both of you should get the vaccine? That's what we had Mom do. We went to the store shopping for her. We wore gloves and a mask. When she got the mail she wore gloves, putting the mail in a plastic bag, and put it on newspaper on the buffet to let it sit for a week before opening it. Her groceries sat for a week without being touched so the virus would die on it's own. I use gloves at the gas station but have done that for years because I drive a diesel. Mom didn't leave her property nor did she have anyone over to the house other than my sister and I. We both took all the precautions that was preached. She ended up dying from Pancreatic cancer in early June, 2 weeks after being diagnosed with it. I will be getting my 2nd shot of the Pfizer vaccine in 6 days.
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