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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jan 21, 2020 9:03:35 GMT -5
Guess I never thought of loading up from the breech. I would just think the loose powder would get into the threads. Pellets...sure you could along with modern sabots. Hmmmmm?!?!!?
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 21, 2020 9:18:25 GMT -5
I say sell your in-lines while they're still worth something.
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Post by esshup on Jan 21, 2020 12:55:18 GMT -5
I have a crisp $100 bill for every Savage ML or Remington ML that anybody wants to dump because of the law. LOL
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Post by stevein on Jan 21, 2020 13:53:05 GMT -5
One big difference between this gun and "normal" inlines is it does not have a breech plug. For those that have an online that breechplug comes with fingers only I suggest a couple of drops of blue locktite.
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2020 15:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by beermaker on Jan 22, 2020 5:35:18 GMT -5
I could care less. Still just one shot and could possibly be more cumbersome to reload. Whichever way it goes will not result in me shooting less deer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 7:22:04 GMT -5
No thanks, not interested. I`m not looking to have to buy a new rifle, and especially not that only shoots the "firestick". I like my Knight Disc Extreme just fine, and very much enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 8:01:01 GMT -5
Before I can comment if is or not, I need to go to school and learn the history and the legal definition(s). What is a muzzleloader. Who knows after 4 centuries the definition might have changed. I think the invention goes back to the 15th century. Once understood then maybe it is a muzzleloader or not. There is so much history of that device. Maybe there is a muzzleloader history member here. I'm sure not.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2020 8:09:14 GMT -5
Before I can comment if is or not, I need to go to school and learn the history and the legal definition(s). What is a muzzleloader. Who knows after 4 centuries the definition might have changed. I think the invention goes back to the 15th century. Once understood then maybe it is a muzzleloader or not. There is so much history of that device. Maybe there is a muzzleloader history member here. I'm sure not. It’s differently a muzzle IMO simply because the projectile can only be loaded from the muzzle.... that doesn’t make it legal in every state at the current time! Wonder how the ATF defines it and will background check and paperwork need done to buy it!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 22, 2020 9:00:49 GMT -5
Legality aside, the only significant benefit I see to this system is that it makes it easier to unload and reuse your charge. My inline is easy to unload by removing the breach plug and pushing the bullet and powder out the breech with a ramrod, but that powder just goes to waste.
You might save a second or 2 during loading by not having to dump your pre-measured powder charge down the barrel, but that is negligible IMO.
The drawbacks I see are that you are bound to the 100 or 120 grain powder charge, no tinkering with different loads to try to achieve better accuracy, less recoil, higher velocity, etc. Also, will the firesticks come only with one type of propellant, or will you have some choices?
The pros don't outweigh the cons in my view to make me want to switch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 9:19:23 GMT -5
Before I can comment if is or not, I need to go to school and learn the history and the legal definition(s). What is a muzzleloader. Who knows after 4 centuries the definition might have changed. I think the invention goes back to the 15th century. Once understood then maybe it is a muzzleloader or not. There is so much history of that device. Maybe there is a muzzleloader history member here. I'm sure not. It’s differently a muzzle IMO simply because the projectile can only be loaded from the muzzle.... that doesn’t make it legal in every state at the current time! Wonder how the ATF defines it and will background check and paperwork need done to buy it! I was trying to stay out of state laws. More on the true definition of a muzzleloader and does this representation meet the true definition. Is the label of a muzzleloader correct? Just because they call it one may not make it one. That happens in life all the time. Not understanding the definition of the word!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 22, 2020 9:27:37 GMT -5
I have a TC Quick loader that has 4 chambers that are preloaded with powder and projectile. I place it in my barrel, give it a quarter turn twist, push the starter rod and finish with my ram rod. Then cap and fire.
If I try real hard I can get off three shots in one minute.
Watching the video of this new “muzzleloader” I can not imagine it getting the job done any quicker than my Quick Loader?
Beware of anything that you have to use their particular loads and nothing else..
A friend of mine that was in the wholesale business called them a razor blade company. They would practically give you a razor but would hold you up on the razor blades that you had to have for the razor.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 22, 2020 13:07:43 GMT -5
This new gun is classified as a firearm by ATF and requires the background check to purchase.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 22, 2020 13:25:27 GMT -5
No thanks, I can load my encore 50 cal faster.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 22, 2020 13:31:18 GMT -5
This new gun is classified as a firearm by ATF and requires the background check to purchase. Got a link to that information? BTW..... some legal muzzleloaders already fall in this category!
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 22, 2020 14:20:32 GMT -5
See the shot show link, several posts up in this thread.
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Post by jjas on Jan 22, 2020 14:25:15 GMT -5
This new gun is classified as a firearm by ATF and requires the background check to purchase. Got a link to that information? BTW..... some legal muzzleloaders already fall in this category! Here's the quote, It's near the bottom of the article. The Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) currently categorizes Traditions NitroFire muzzleloader rifle as one that does require an ATF Form 4473 to be completed and approved for purchase.www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/1/20/first-look-traditions-firearms-nitrofire-muzzleloader/
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Post by onebentarrow on Jan 22, 2020 16:05:55 GMT -5
I will just stick to my smokeless muzzelloader. I know it is faster and would be hard to beat in accuracy. Plus I do not have to worry about it being a flop and not able to get powder rounds for it and it is not as prone to corrosion as black powder subs are. Just my 2 cents
Onebentarrow
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Post by js2397 on Jan 22, 2020 20:29:56 GMT -5
The real question is if it will be legal for public land.
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Post by mgderf on Jan 22, 2020 20:47:26 GMT -5
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