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Post by greghopper on Jan 20, 2020 19:38:22 GMT -5
I wonder where the current removal Breech plug muzzleloading long gun falls in the code? I would assume the same as a removable plug for a shotgun. Don't believe a shotgun requires a plug for Deer Hunting in Indiana.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 20, 2020 19:39:59 GMT -5
I would assume the same as a removable plug for a shotgun. Don't believe a shotgun requires a plug for Deer Hunting in Indiana. I meant in regards to species that require a plugged shotgun.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 20, 2020 20:25:55 GMT -5
There is nothing keeping anyone from loading the powder charge from the breech on a removable breech plug . It wouldn’t be the ideal way to do it but it could be done.IMO
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Post by stevein on Jan 21, 2020 0:17:07 GMT -5
There is nothing keeping anyone from loading the powder charge from the breech on a removable breech plug . It wouldn’t be the ideal way to do it but it could be done.IMO With that what would keep someone from loading the bullet too? Really boils down to the individual hunter obeying the law.
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2020 6:26:47 GMT -5
Actually, it comes down to the wording of the law. That word "only" makes all the difference...
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Post by js2397 on Jan 21, 2020 7:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 21, 2020 7:35:14 GMT -5
If this new gun is not legal, then just about all in-lines are not legal. As has been said here already, and in previous threads, it is POSSIBLE to load the charge from the breech on an in-line. Push a bullet down the bore and leave it just shy of full loading depth. Add powder from the breech, install the plug and then seat the bullet.
And another thing. A muzzleloader is not loaded until it is primed. Primers are installed at the breech. Therefore, muzzleloaders are ALWAYS loaded at the breech.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jan 21, 2020 7:35:20 GMT -5
Actually, it comes down to the wording of the law. That word "only" makes all the difference... muzzleloading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet Key wording is both powder and bullet.
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2020 7:46:13 GMT -5
I was not referring to this new gun ... it was in response to Greg asking how our current guns jive with the current wording and Steves response that it would come down to the hunter obeying the law. That word "only" takes it out of the hunters hands to simply obey the law if a LEO were to enforce it as written.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 21, 2020 7:47:38 GMT -5
Actually, it comes down to the wording of the law. That word "only" makes all the difference... muzzleloading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet Key wording is both powder and bullet. I don't know about your gun, but my in-line is easily capable of loading bullet and charge from the breech. Remove the plug, drop a bullet in the breech and push it just into the rifling. Add the charge, install the plug and then seat the bullet.
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2020 7:51:00 GMT -5
muzzleloading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet Key wording is both powder and bullet. I don't know about your gun, but my in-line is easily capable of loading bullet and charge from the breech. Remove the plug, drop a bullet in the breech and push it just into the rifling. Add the charge, install the plug and then seat the bullet. With all due respect, why would anyone load an inline muzzleloader like that?
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 21, 2020 7:55:48 GMT -5
That's not the point. If it is POSSIBLE, then the gun can't be a legal muzzleloader by definition. The regs say "A muzzleloading firearm must be capable of being loaded from only the muzzle." I CAN load mine from the breech, and I'm guessing just about all in-lines can be as well.
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2020 7:57:53 GMT -5
Golly, it almost seems like another poorly worded regulation ....
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2020 8:06:19 GMT -5
That's not the point. If it is POSSIBLE, then the gun can't be a legal muzzleloader by definition. The regs say "A muzzleloading firearm must be capable of being loaded from only the muzzle." I CAN load mine from the breech, and I'm guessing just about all in-lines can be as well. Well I would imagine that most people (including those who work @ the DNR) would think that just because you possibly could load an inline muzzleloader this way it would make little sense to do so, nor provide any real benefit to the hunter. You guys keep this up, maybe the DNR will read this thread and decide to ban in-lines because you could remove a screw in breech plug and load it that way. Then people will throw a fit about that...LOL
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2020 8:16:56 GMT -5
here is IC code again
CURRENT Indiana Administrative Code 312 IAC 9-3-3 Equipment for deer hunting
312 IAC 9-3-3 Equipment for deer hunting
(3) A muzzleloading long gun must be .44 caliber or larger, loaded with a bullet at least three hundred fifty-seven thousandths (.357) inch or larger. A muzzleloading handgun must be single shot, .50 caliber or larger, loaded with bullets at least .44 caliber and have a barrel at least twelve (12) inches long. The length of a muzzleloading handgun barrel is determined by measuring from the base of the breech plug, excluding tangs and other projections, to the end of the barrel, including the muzzle crown. A muzzleloading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet.
"capable"& "only".....would make almost all inlines not legal.IMO
The IC code needs changed.
Personally....this is just another evolution in muzzleloading guns just like the evolution of archery gear. IMO
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Post by firstwd on Jan 21, 2020 8:19:19 GMT -5
Has anybody tried to load a sabot fron the breech? Maybe a power belt bullet, but definitely not a patch and ball.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2020 8:21:56 GMT -5
Has anybody tried to load a sabot fron the breech? Maybe a power belt bullet, but definitely not a patch and ball. Who uses a patch and ball in a modern muzzleloader ? Very few I would say!
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Post by firstwd on Jan 21, 2020 8:26:00 GMT -5
Has anybody tried to load a sabot fron the breech? Maybe a power belt bullet, but definitely not a patch and ball. Who uses a patch and ball in a modern muzzleloader ? Very few I would say! My pistol actually shoots a patch and ball as accurately out to 75 yards as it does sabots. Makes practice quite inexpensive.
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2020 8:29:35 GMT -5
Has anybody tried to load a sabot fron the breech? Maybe a power belt bullet, but definitely not a patch and ball. I've never tried it (because it makes zero sense to do so), but I highly doubt you could load any sabot or power belt type bullet from the breech. And even if you could, good luck pouring loose powder or pushing pellets into the breech and re-installing a breech plug. I bet that would be accurate from shot to shot. Not to mention, reloading like that would be fun while hunting...LOL
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2020 8:32:01 GMT -5
Lol..
I figured this would start a good discussion.
Very few,if any, muzzleloaders have a barrel that one can not access the breech. I’d have to go back and look at it but I believe my TC Hawken’s barrel is two pieces. I can remove the barrel from the stock, put it in a vise, use a wrench and remove the back portion of the barrel. Then I can load it from the breech as several on here have said. It’s not just inlines.
Although it is not stated I think it is how the gun is commonly loaded, not some dismantling of the gun to load it. Again, I don’t think this one will meet the dnr’s idead if a true muzzleloader.
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