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Post by esshup on Jan 15, 2020 19:40:58 GMT -5
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Post by boman on Jan 15, 2020 21:05:13 GMT -5
Yes, things are getting interesting. Good chance antifa and anti-antifa will show up---both sides anarchists(do the research). The governor can ban guns on the capitol grounds but that won't stop the crap in the streets if they do. The only people he can really blame for this fiasco is himself and his cronies. West Virgina now has a bill to introduce or is introduced offering a "brexit" type of deal to any Virginia counties to join their state. Steve
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:11:09 GMT -5
We have the right keep, (own),and bear, (carry) arms. This idiot governor has no constitutional authority to say those at the rally may not be armed. These despotic politicians are going to keep pressing their illegal agendas until they cause patriots to have no choice but to stand up against them in a bit way.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 15, 2020 21:46:40 GMT -5
We have the right keep, (own),and bear, (carry) arms. This idiot governor has no constitutional authority to say those at the rally may not be armed. These despotic politicians are going to keep pressing their illegal agendas until they cause patriots to have no choice but to stand up against them in a bit way. Actually he does. Just like you can't carry inside government buildings, carrying on government building grounds can also be banned.
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Post by boman on Jan 15, 2020 22:16:10 GMT -5
We have the right keep, (own),and bear, (carry) arms. This idiot governor has no constitutional authority to say those at the rally may not be armed. These despotic politicians are going to keep pressing their illegal agendas until they cause patriots to have no choice but to stand up against them in a bit way. Actually he does. Just like you can't carry inside government buildings, carrying on government building grounds can also be banned. Actually your both right. the governor has no authority to keep those at the rally from carrying. He's just saying no carry on capitol grounds or buildings. Point is things keep escalating. I don't prescribe to conspiracy theories but there's plenty of that going around too.
Steve
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Post by greyhair on Jan 15, 2020 23:38:26 GMT -5
Everybody mentions Antifa but they forget the Proud Boys. They are just as crazy.
As for militias, I don't want that bloated idiot a couple roads over from me deciding that he is in charge all of a sudden when things get hairy. All of a sudden he decides he is the General and starts giving orders to everybody...they need your vehicles and supplies.
We have an organized, authorized militia called the National Guard and another called the Indiana Guard Reserve, and the Sheriff can deputize all the help he needs.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 16, 2020 6:45:08 GMT -5
The Second Amendment was drafted and added to the U.S. Constitution as a safeguard against a tyrannical government. The Colonists' experience with King George III attempting to ban and confiscate firearms and gunpowder in 1774-5 was still very fresh in their minds.
The militia consisted of any able-bodied male 18 years of age or older, and they used firearms that were kept in their homes. They were not kept in any centralized storage facility. The term "well regulated" in Colonial times meant "well practiced". It certainly didn't mean regulated (controlled) by the government. Anti-gunners today like to state that well-regulated means that the government can put restrictions on firearms ownership, thus "regulating" them. That is laughable at best.
Congressional members are elected to represent we the people in government -- to give us a voice. They are supposed to answer to us. Well, in Virginia, these elected officials (who were bought and paid for by Bloomberg) are attempting to vote into law their own agenda, even when it is apparent that most do not want these laws. They aren't mirroring the will of the people. There is no representation in Virginia.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 6:54:24 GMT -5
The Second Amendment was drafted and added to the U.S. Constitution as a safeguard against a tyrannical government. The Colonists' experience with King George III attempting to ban and confiscate firearms and gunpowder in 1774-5 was still very fresh in their minds. The militia consisted of any able-bodied male 18 years of age or older, and they used firearms that were kept in their homes. They were not keep in any centralized storage facility. The term "well regulated" in Colonial times meant "well practiced". It certainly didn't mean regulated (controlled) by the government. Anti-gunners today like to state that well-regulated means that the government can put restrictions on firearms ownership, thus "regulating" them. That is laughable at best. Congressional members are elected to represent we the people in government -- to give us a voice. They are supposed to answer to us. Well, in Virginia, these elected officials (who were bought and paid for by Bloomberg) are attempting to vote into law their own agenda, even when it is apparent that most do not want these laws. They aren't mirroring the will of the people. There is no representation in Virginia. From the Declaration of Independence: "...that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, ( Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness), it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Then this from Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 7:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 9:26:51 GMT -5
I pray that what goes on in Virginia stays in Virginia. I hope no other Governors/States try the same and this escalates to a divided United States issue. Pray no lives are lost.
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Post by greyhair on Jan 16, 2020 11:42:22 GMT -5
I still ain't giving my stuff to that lardcan over there with the army surplus outfit and the self appointed title.
I will share with friends and neighbors, they can step over the bodies
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Post by jbird on Jan 16, 2020 11:55:50 GMT -5
VA is certainly going to set an example. It's a shame it has gotten to this point....but sometimes a stand needs to be made. Governments work FOR THE PEOPLE....and not the other way around. I also don't understand how a law can be created, passed and enforced without some sort of constitutional review...FIRST. As I understand it, the law can't be challenged until it comes before the court...which means someone is already been charged with a crime against that law. This seems very wrong to me. Simply because the time it would take for the case to go to court, while others are being charged with the same crime. Toss in some appeals or an escalation thru the courts and you could be talking years. This simply seems to be a make the law and ask for legality of it later sort of process....seems like dirty pool to me!
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Post by firstwd on Jan 16, 2020 12:19:54 GMT -5
VA is certainly going to set an example. It's a shame it has gotten to this point....but sometimes a stand needs to be made. Governments work FOR THE PEOPLE....and not the other way around. I also don't understand how a law can be created, passed and enforced without some sort of constitutional review...FIRST. As I understand it, the law can't be challenged until it comes before the court...which means someone is already been charged with a crime against that law. This seems very wrong to me. Simply because the time it would take for the case to go to court, while others are being charged with the same crime. Toss in some appeals or an escalation thru the courts and you could be talking years. This simply seems to be a make the law and ask for legality of it later sort of process....seems like dirty pool to me! It is. I don't believe that is the original plan. It seems that over time the ones in power have moved our system to what things are now. It's turned into a "what can we get away with" type system.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 16, 2020 13:26:16 GMT -5
I still ain't giving my stuff to that lardcan over there with the army surplus outfit and the self appointed title. I will share with friends and neighbors, they can step over the bodies Oh, I wouldn't either. LOL! My post wasn't directed at you.
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Post by deadeer on Jan 16, 2020 14:11:58 GMT -5
I dont see confiscation ever happening in the US. Once the word gets out that it's starting, there will be too many standing their ground, and the ones doing the taking will fall. That's the one good thing about social media, the word will get out fast. Unless they block it, but word will still spread by tv and radio. It wouldnt be pretty.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 16, 2020 17:20:25 GMT -5
I dont see confiscation ever happening in the US. Once the word gets out that it's starting, there will be too many standing their ground, and the ones doing the taking will fall. That's the one good thing about social media, the word will get out fast. Unless they block it, but word will still spread by tv and radio. It wouldnt be pretty. Back in the day Paul rode a horse to spread the news that the British were coming. Today we have ham radio operators and gas powered vehicles. Even if the internet were to be shut down we still have cell phones and other lines of communications like Email or landline phones. Word will get out. My hope is that the NRA will file a law suit as soon as this law is passed and before the ink on the paper is dried and the the courts will issue a stay until the higher courts can rule. The US Supreme court needs to step up and rule that these gun laws are unconstitutional. This should have been done a long time ago. It's time to tell all these local politicians that they are not god and no gun laws trump the 2nd amendment's clause that says Shall not infringe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:56:49 GMT -5
I dont see confiscation ever happening in the US. Once the word gets out that it's starting, there will be too many standing their ground, and the ones doing the taking will fall. That's the one good thing about social media, the word will get out fast. Unless they block it, but word will still spread by tv and radio. It wouldnt be pretty. Confiscation has already happened in the U.S. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo
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Post by esshup on Jan 16, 2020 18:37:55 GMT -5
VA is certainly going to set an example. It's a shame it has gotten to this point....but sometimes a stand needs to be made. Governments work FOR THE PEOPLE....and not the other way around. I also don't understand how a law can be created, passed and enforced without some sort of constitutional review...FIRST. As I understand it, the law can't be challenged until it comes before the court...which means someone is already been charged with a crime against that law. This seems very wrong to me. Simply because the time it would take for the case to go to court, while others are being charged with the same crime. Toss in some appeals or an escalation thru the courts and you could be talking years. This simply seems to be a make the law and ask for legality of it later sort of process....seems like dirty pool to me! The sad thing is that if people are arrested and the firearms are confiscated, and it takes a while for the case to be heard and decided, the evidence in question could mysteriously disappear from the evidence locker. Then what recourse does the now innocent defendant have, and what is the cost/who foots the bill for that? (For them to recoup their $$ spent on the "lost" goods?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 19:05:41 GMT -5
VA is certainly going to set an example. It's a shame it has gotten to this point....but sometimes a stand needs to be made. Governments work FOR THE PEOPLE....and not the other way around. I also don't understand how a law can be created, passed and enforced without some sort of constitutional review...FIRST. As I understand it, the law can't be challenged until it comes before the court...which means someone is already been charged with a crime against that law. This seems very wrong to me. Simply because the time it would take for the case to go to court, while others are being charged with the same crime. Toss in some appeals or an escalation thru the courts and you could be talking years. This simply seems to be a make the law and ask for legality of it later sort of process....seems like dirty pool to me! The sad thing is that if people are arrested and the firearms are confiscated, and it takes a while for the case to be heard and decided, the evidence in question could mysteriously disappear from the evidence locker. Then what recourse does the now innocent defendant have, and what is the cost/who foots the bill for that? (For them to recoup their $$ spent on the "lost" goods?) It is my understanding that it`s not uncommon at all for firearms to never be returned to law-abiding citizens, found innocent, that used their firearms in self defense.
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