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Post by moose1am on Jan 15, 2020 18:53:34 GMT -5
I read that the US Navy installed a 150 Kilo Watt laser on one of its ships just recently. That is the 3rd or 4th ship that had a laser installed on them. Some were only 30 or 40 Watt Lasers. With more lasers to come in the future. www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a30517502/navy-little-rock-laser-weapon/They are being used to destroy small boats like the Iranians use to attack ships in the straights of Hormuz. The Iranians use multiple small fast boats equipped with guns. They can also be used to take down drones and cruise missiles. I hope that they can also destroy a ballistic missile in their terminal phase but not sure if they will work against hypersonic missiles that the Russians are fielding now. The army has some lasers mounted on trucks too. The problem with lasers is that smoke and dust and high humidity can weaken the laser beams making them not as effective as on a clear dry day. So I think that they need both laser and the anti-missile Patriots to defend our troops. The troops count on us to keep them out of harm's way. Our troops are not expendable nor are they political pawns. Israel uses the Iron Dome Rocket system to knock down the rockets and mortars that the Iranian Proxi army in Lebanon and Gaza use to attack Isreal with good effect. I think but I am not sure that the Iron done is a modified Patriot missile system that Israel makes now. I read that the Patriot missiles have to have the correct time and if they are run very long the time gets off by seconds. Incorrect time on the missile's computer can cause the missile to miss its target by 600 yards. Not good as the marine on Last Man Standing says. Raytheon had to rewrite the software for the system to fix that problem.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2020 19:04:50 GMT -5
That NOT a laser at work in the video he posted moose!!
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Post by swilk on Jan 15, 2020 19:15:59 GMT -5
Lol...no, it's not.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 15, 2020 19:16:21 GMT -5
That NOT a laser at work in the video he posted moose!! I'm sorry I did not watch the video. Oops. I did watch the video that Wayne posted. It's something from Arma3 which is a computer video game. Those if they were real would be for the terminal phase of a ballistic missile attack and I'm not sure they work against ballistic missiles. Now they might work against drones and cruise missiles which are slower. China and Russia are not fielding hypersonic missiles that fly at 27 times the speed of sound and can maneuver. There don't fly a parabolic flight path like a ballistic missile does. In the meantime, I found this online at another military discussion web site. www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2020/01/13/iran-attack-highlights-us-missile-defense-vulnerability/This link above explains why Iran targeted these airbases in Iraq instead of other US assets. They didn't have missile defenses at the airbases that Iran attacked. I'm just guessing that the video that you are talking about is about directed energy weapons? I read another article on defensenews.com about the US Army installing a 50 Watt laser weapon on a striker vehicle. And the article I read about the US Navy putting a laser on a ship is here: www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a30517502/navy-little-rock-laser-weapon/
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Post by boman on Jan 15, 2020 19:37:05 GMT -5
The video is a c-ram system---Lasers are still experimental/trial basis only.
Steve
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Post by moose1am on Jan 15, 2020 19:56:39 GMT -5
The video is a c-ram system---Lasers are still experimental/trial basis only. Steve The close-in systems work against small rockets, mortars and cruise missiles but the range is very limited to the terminal part of a rocket. It's about 60% effective from the video I saw. That means it shoots down 60 of 100 missiles but that also means that 40 missiles land on their target and are not intercepted. The fact still remains that the two airbases that Iran attacked did NOT have any missile defenses at all. That needs to change. We need to be able to protect all our men and women in the field from Iran's ballistic, cruise and drones. I think we can all agree on that. How we do that is debatable. Maybe a combination of defensive weapons. Iran won round one of this battle in the political bragging rights. They got away with firing over 22 ballistic missiles at US Troops deployed in Iraq and we didn't do anything to stop them. They get the bragging rights and I'm not happy about that. Like gregr said. we should have taken out all their missile launching assets and much more. But we didn't. We backed down. That only encourages the Iranian Proxi militias to fire more rockets at Israel from the Iranian controlled Gaza Strip and from Syria and Lebanon. They are also firing more missiles at the US Forces in Iraq. here is another youtube video talking about the ten best systems used to shot down enemy missiles etc: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUFfqAtDb5U
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2020 20:00:12 GMT -5
If your fighting a war for bragging rights you fighting a wrong war.... period!
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Post by moose1am on Jan 15, 2020 21:00:07 GMT -5
If your fighting a war for bragging rights you fighting a wrong war.... period! Well right now we are not fighting a war in Iraq. We are there for standing up the Iraqi Military so that they can defend themselves. At least that's the offical reason for being there. We are really there to protect the oil and to keep Iran from overrunning the middle east. IMHO. if not for that then why are were there? Greghopper tell me why we are there. Only the winners in war get bragging rights. So we are there to win any wars. What I'm saying is that if we are going to be there we need to better defend all our boys and girls out there in the field with the best weapons we can provide to them. I hope you don't disagree with that.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2020 21:28:01 GMT -5
Hopefully you don’t really believe we can be defeated....
The war on Terrorism is why we are there... IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 8:23:11 GMT -5
Right on with the ships high energy traditional laser beam type. Takes a nuke type power to use. The other technology is a pulse energy like light particle type weapon. Very similar to the video. What I'm talking about is the size of a big SUV or box train and can be air dropped anywhere and deployed. It does require a large generator about the same size. About 12 years ago I programmed this device. Not even sure what they named it. Back then it was top secret. I was told each day what to program etc. One of my coolest projects. I did the work at the Piketon, Ohio uranium centrifuge plant for the Defense of Energy. It's not top secret anymore. There is a technology that is unbelievable. Just keep an open mind. It blows away what we learned in school with respect to theories on gravity, electricity, and visibility. Search for the flying worm like objects. Not sure if they deleted all of them. Videos appeared about a year ago. Just remember there are UFO's, but not alien UFO's. Back in the early days of the internet you could search-drill in all the main frames of the Universities (MIT) and even most foreign universities. Just after the bulletin board days of the internet it was wide open. This was the start of the security issues. Yes, I was a big time information data geek. Still am! I still can't write and put down on paper. English is my worst enemy. I prefer the language of math. I will see if I can dig up one the year old flying worms like videos.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 16, 2020 12:50:25 GMT -5
Right on with the ships high energy traditional laser beam type. Takes a nuke type power to use. The other technology is a pulse energy like light particle type weapon. Very similar to the video. What I'm talking about is the size of a big SUV or box train and can be air dropped anywhere and deployed. It does require a large generator about the same size. About 12 years ago I programmed this device. Not even sure what they named it. Back then it was top secret. I was told each day what to program etc. One of my coolest projects. I did the work at the Piketon, Ohio uranium centrifuge plant for the Defense of Energy. It's not top secret anymore. There is a technology that is unbelievable. Just keep an open mind. It blows away what we learned in school with respect to theories on gravity, electricity, and visibility. Search for the flying worm like objects. Not sure if they deleted all of them. Videos appeared about a year ago. Just remember there are UFO's, but not alien UFO's. Back in the early days of the internet you could search-drill in all the main frames of the Universities (MIT) and even most foreign universities. Just after the bulletin board days of the internet it was wide open. This was the start of the security issues. Yes, I was a big time information data geek. Still am! I still can't write and put down on paper. English is my worst enemy. I prefer the language of math. I will see if I can dig up one the year old flying worms like videos.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 16, 2020 12:54:08 GMT -5
Right on with the ships high energy traditional laser beam type. Takes a nuke type power to use. The other technology is a pulse energy like light particle type weapon. Very similar to the video. What I'm talking about is the size of a big SUV or box train and can be air dropped anywhere and deployed. It does require a large generator about the same size. About 12 years ago I programmed this device. Not even sure what they named it. Back then it was top secret. I was told each day what to program etc. One of my coolest projects. I did the work at the Piketon, Ohio uranium centrifuge plant for the Defense of Energy. It's not top secret anymore. There is a technology that is unbelievable. Just keep an open mind. It blows away what we learned in school with respect to theories on gravity, electricity, and visibility. Search for the flying worm like objects. Not sure if they deleted all of them. Videos appeared about a year ago. Just remember there are UFO's, but not alien UFO's. Back in the early days of the internet you could search-drill in all the main frames of the Universities (MIT) and even most foreign universities. Just after the bulletin board days of the internet it was wide open. This was the start of the security issues. Yes, I was a big time information data geek. Still am! I still can't write and put down on paper. English is my worst enemy. I prefer the language of math. I will see if I can dig up one the year old flying worms like videos.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 16, 2020 12:59:44 GMT -5
Hopefully you don’t really believe we can be defeated.... The war on Terrorism is why we are there... IMO I never said that. I think we have the best military in the world. What I said was that Iran got the last shot in with those ballistic missiles. And that Trump has not fired back. Iran was able to shoot 22 Ballistic Missiles at the US Airbase in Iraq. Iran was able to shoot down one of our drones. Iran was able to take out 1/2 of the Saudi Oil Production, Iran was able to put mines on the side of at least two oil tankers in the Persian Gulf and get by with it. Iran was able to capture two of the US Swift boats and take our men under armed guard for a few days before returning them to the US. Iran's proxies are literally shooting rockets at Israel almost every week these days.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 16, 2020 13:42:41 GMT -5
How about we leave the WAR stagey to the folks in the war room?
For anyone to second guess what is and isn’t being done is no different then the anti-war people crying out.IMO
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Post by moose1am on Jan 16, 2020 16:42:40 GMT -5
How about we leave the WAR stagey to the folks in the war room? For anyone to second guess what is and isn’t being done is no different then the anti-war people crying out.IMO So you agree with Trump and the fact that we allowed Iran to get the better of us and we stood down and did nothing about the Ballistic Missile attack on our troops. SMH
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 18:02:39 GMT -5
How about we leave the WAR stagey to the folks in the war room? For anyone to second guess what is and isn’t being done is no different then the anti-war people crying out.IMO So you agree with Trump and the fact that we allowed Iran to get the better of us and we stood down and did nothing about the Ballistic Missile attack on our troops. SMH We`re ALL entitled to our own thoughts and opinions on this. We the People are the government, out elected employees are supposed to only represent us and our interests. I`ve said from the beginning that it was a huge mistake to not respond to iran firing missiles at us by raining hellfire down on iran. iran is the worlds leading state sponsor of terrorism. They fun hezbollah and hamas, and they hate both Israel, and the United States. They are terrorists in their own right, and they only understand force and the threat of force. Period.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 16, 2020 18:30:21 GMT -5
How about we leave the WAR stagey to the folks in the war room? For anyone to second guess what is and isn’t being done is no different then the anti-war people crying out.IMO So you agree with Trump and the fact that we allowed Iran to get the better of us and we stood down and did nothing about the Ballistic Missile attack on our troops. SMH I am fine with what the folks in the WAR ROOM decide..... I will leave the second guessing to Democrats, Anti War people and the armchair Debbie Downers! Dammed if you do ...Dammed if you don’t... SMH
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Post by moose1am on Jan 17, 2020 9:33:46 GMT -5
The problem with your answer is that the people in the war room don't get to decide what to do. General Kelly and General Mathis are no longer there advising Trump. He fired them both. I feel sorry for General Milley. If it were up to the Generals we would wipe Iran off the face of the earth. It's Trump that stopped them. So you are saying you are ok with Trump not protecting our troops in Iraq from Iranian Ballistic Missile attacks? You are saying that you are OK with Iran shooting Ballistic Missiles at our troops and giving them no means to avoid those Ballistic Missile Attacks. What would you say if Iran fired longer-range Ballistic Missiles and one landed on your house? Would you still be ok with that? I for one would not.
Today the media is reporting that there were US causalities' from the Iranian Ballistic Missile Attacks. Those bunkers there our troops cowered were not built to withstand a direct hit by a 2000 lb. explosive warhead on a ballistic missile. Saddam built those concrete bunkers 20 years ago. And some of our troops sustained traumatic brain injuries from the concussive sound of the 2000 lb bomb exploding so close to their bunkers.
Trump drew a line in the sand and Iran crossed it. Trump said that if any US troops were wounded or killed he would respond with excessive force. Then he did nothing. Now Iran knows that it can attack US Troops in Iraq and the USA will just stand down and not respond. Are you really OK with that? You don't put our men and women in harms way and not try to protect them to the best of your ability. Trump failed these people.
You are right about one thing. Damned if you do... Damned if you don't. But we all know now that Trump talks a big talk, but when it comes down to action he is all bluff. At least it seems that way.
Like I said, If I were in charge I would have let Iran know what happens when they attack our guy. They would regret the day they did that if I were in charge.
We have the means to destroy Iran if we choose. But the leadership in the White House failed to respond.
Remember when Iran shot down our Drone and Trump stopped the retaliatory attack on Iran minutes before it started.
I starting to see a pattern here.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 17, 2020 10:20:12 GMT -5
If you truly believe there isn’t a War Room that advises the president you are completely wrong and there no use in having a factual discussion.
And there were no US casualties at bombed bases ... that’s fake news. Concussions yes!
And yes I am starting to see a pattern with your information and second guessing!... SMH
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Post by moose1am on Jan 17, 2020 10:49:10 GMT -5
If you truly believe there isn’t a War Room that advises the president you are completely wrong and there no use in having a factual discussion. And there were no US casualties at bombed bases ... that’s fake news. Concussions yes! And yes I am starting to see a pattern with your information and second guessing!... SMH I can't discuss this with you if you refuse to see the facts. So if the news doesn't suit your preconceived ideas it's fake news. That sounds like a 2-year-old sticking his fingers in his ears and repeating Lalala as loud as he can when it's time to eat his spinish. Ever hear of a toddler throwing a temper tantrum. www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/service-members-injured-iran-strike/index.htmlwww.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-service-members-treated-concussions-after-iranian-missile-strikes-n1117556www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/01/17/US-now-says-11-troops-hurt-in-Iranian-missile-strikes/3781579236965/?tt=2NOTE: The PENTAGON is reporting that the US personnel suffered concussions. A concussion is a traumatic brain injury. People get kicked out of the football game when they suffer a concussion. And the effects of a concussion can last for the rest of their life. It's an injury and the Pentagon does not give out fake news. I wonder if you would deny those injuries if you were the one in the bunkers instead of someone else's kid? I noticed you didn't have anything to say about General Matis? How many advisors has trump fired? How many others were indicted, arrested and convicted? Trump won't listen to his advisors. Can you say, John Bolton? General Kelly called him a moron. Now those are US Army Trained Officers who served their country for many years and where tossed aside by Cadet Bone Spurs. You said earlier in another thread: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan 7, 2020 18:06:01 GMT -6 greghopper said: "With Iran launching missiles to Iraq at American soldiers ... you are about to witness what a true president is all about ! Trump is about to unleash some pure Hell 🇺🇸" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So what made you change your mind?
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