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Post by moose1am on Jan 8, 2020 20:33:20 GMT -5
The join chief of staff General Mark Milley thinks that Iran intended to harm US Military Personnel and equipment and did NOT intentionally miss with their ballistic Missiles. 22 ballistic missiles were fired at two US Airfields inside Iraq. 17 hit the larger base. Some didn't make it there or didn't explode. But today's recent satellite images show the damage that was done to the larger airbase. See for yourself how the bomb crater was right on the barracks where our military personnel stay. Only some early warning allowed our guys to take cover before the Ballistic Missiles hit their targets. Trump talks a big line but when it comes to taking action he does not follow through. Cadet Bone Spurs is all talk and no action. If I were in charge we would be nuking Iran. LOL. So it's a good thing that I'm not in charge. I think it was General Miley that is thinking that Iran intended to do harm to our guys. Some in the media are thinking that Iran missed intentionally but I disagree with them. There is no way Iran would have fired 22 Ballistic Guided Missiles at us and not intended to do harm to the US guys stationed at those two air bases. www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/politics/satellite-images-iran-missile-trnd/index.html
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Post by esshup on Jan 8, 2020 21:52:52 GMT -5
I agree with you and with the General. I don't know why Pres Trump didn't carpet bomb the whole place, but I'm sure it has to be part of the long game that is being played. I just hope that isn't seen as a sign of weakness by the other players in the "pick on USA" game.
Intentionally miss the troops? What are the media and some senators smoking?
I don't think it's over yet, no matter what Iran says.
I wouldn't nuke it, then we couldn't go in there and claim the oil. That's what I'd like to see happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 6:40:55 GMT -5
I`m extremely shocked, and disappointed with President Trump, and I agree wholeheartedly that iran did not miss intentionally, but even if they had, it sends a very bad message to iran and anyone else with evil intent towards the U.S. to not make a statement here. Anyone who attacks us must be hit back so hard, so overwhelmingly, that they can never attack us again, and so that other bad actors are deterred as well. This only encourages iran even more, and they`re already the worlds leading state sponsor of terrorism. This lack of a response to us being attacked leads us down a very dangerous path.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 7:58:04 GMT -5
I`m extremely shocked, and disappointed with President Trump, and I agree wholeheartedly that iran did not miss intentionally, but even if they had, it sends a very bad message to iran and anyone else with evil intent towards the U.S. to not make a statement here. Anyone who attacks us must be hit back so hard, so overwhelmingly, that they can never attack us again, and so that other bad actors are deterred as well. This only encourages iran even more, and they`re already the worlds leading state sponsor of terrorism. This lack of a response to us being attacked leads us down a very dangerous path. President Trump sent a very strong message to the world. Those 15 cruise ballistic rockets did not miss. We demonstrated that we can redirect them on the fly. Iran would not send 15 very expensive rockets to miss. Don't believe they missed on purpose. How did we track and take out #2. The earthquakes at the nuke plants are a big deal (real or man-made?). The world has been put on notice that we can take out any human anytime and we can redirect GPS type weapons. There was different type technology used that most can't imagine. Russia, China and the world has just been put on notice. What happened will go down in history. The technology used is unbelievable. The world knows now that we can redirect the cruise rocket that carries their payload back to where it came from. What happened to the other 4 rockets that failed or did they fail? Where did they land. Just like Kuwait with the laser guided missiles, it took a few months on what happened. Missiles guided through windows etc.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 9, 2020 8:14:03 GMT -5
The Plot Thickens....
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 9, 2020 8:50:25 GMT -5
I don't watch a lot of news. It seems to me that the US swatted down Iran pretty heavy-handedly it this little spat.
Iran is now telling their people that they killed 80 "American terrorists" with those 15 missiles.
Iran backed itself into a corner. They felt they had to save face in the eyes of their own people and couldn't let the drone strike go without some sort of retaliation. They also knew there would be severe consequences for any American deaths.
I don't know if they missed on purpose, but I'm sure they had more missiles they could have launched if they weren't satisfied with the results.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 9, 2020 9:29:42 GMT -5
I don't watch a lot of news. It seems to me that the US swatted down Iran pretty heavy-handedly it this little spat. Iran is now telling their people that they killed 80 "American terrorists" with those 15 missiles. Iran backed itself into a corner. They felt they had to save face in the eyes of their own people and couldn't let the drone strike go without some sort of retaliation. They also knew there would be severe consequences for any American deaths. I don't know if they missed on purpose, but I'm sure they had more missiles they could have launched if they weren't satisfied with the results. You are right in that they could have launched many more Missiles if they wanted to. They launched 22 ballistic missiles. News at first said it was over a dozen or over 12 ballistic missiles. then they said it was 17 Ballistic missiles. Now the last I heard was 22 ballistic missiles. I have not read or heard of any Iranian drones used against the two US Airfields in Iraq. Now Iran did use drones and cruise missiles against the Saudi Arabian Oil Complex and they hit their targets and took out 25 % of the Saudi Oil Production. Wayne was talking about the US redirecting the Iranian Ballistic Missiles somehow. I'm not sure how those Iranian Ballistic Missiles are guided. Cruise Missiles and Drones may use GPS signals to guide them onto target more accurately. I don't know if Iran has GPS satellite in space that they can us. Maybe they can use the US satellites somehow or Russian or Chinese Satellites somehow. I don't know that for a fact. I'm just guessing. Maybe they can just calculate the trajectory of the ballistic missiles like Germany did with the V2 rockets back in WWII. Or like Iraq did in the US vs. Iraq war when the Iraqi's used those inaccurate Scud missiles. I just don't know how they guided those ballistic missiles. But CNN was reporting that they did hit US AirbBase in Iraq. And they were carrying 1000 and 2000 lbs bombs in those ballistic missiles. And they traveled as much as 600 miles from Iran to the US Airfields. I hope that Wayne is right and that we can deflect those ballistic missiles and redirect their cruise missiles somehow. That would be great if we can do that. No worries then about Iran hitting our US troops and equipment in Iraq. But they did hit one of our barracks and several of the 22 missiles hit our airbase. What I question is where were the Patriot Missile batteries. You know those are the anti-missile missiles that can knock the enemies missiles out of the sky.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 10:14:33 GMT -5
I don't watch a lot of news. It seems to me that the US swatted down Iran pretty heavy-handedly it this little spat. Iran is now telling their people that they killed 80 "American terrorists" with those 15 missiles. Iran backed itself into a corner. They felt they had to save face in the eyes of their own people and couldn't let the drone strike go without some sort of retaliation. They also knew there would be severe consequences for any American deaths. I don't know if they missed on purpose, but I'm sure they had more missiles they could have launched if they weren't satisfied with the results. You are right in that they could have launched many more Missiles if they wanted to. They launched 22 ballistic missiles. News at first said it was over a dozen or over 12 ballistic missiles. then they said it was 17 Ballistic missiles. Now the last I heard was 22 ballistic missiles. I have not read or heard of any Iranian drones used against the two US Airfields in Iraq. Now Iran did use drones and cruise missiles against the Saudi Arabian Oil Complex and they hit their targets and took out 25 % of the Saudi Oil Production. Wayne was talking about the US redirecting the Iranian Ballistic Missiles somehow. I'm not sure how those Iranian Ballistic Missiles are guided. Cruise Missiles and Drones may use GPS signals to guide them onto target more accurately. I don't know if Iran has GPS satellite in space that they can us. Maybe they can use the US satellites somehow or Russian or Chinese Satellites somehow. I don't know that for a fact. I'm just guessing. Maybe they can just calculate the trajectory of the ballistic missiles like Germany did with the V2 rockets back in WWII. Or like Iraq did in the US vs. Iraq war when the Iraqi's used those inaccurate Scud missiles. I just don't know how they guided those ballistic missiles. But CNN was reporting that they did hit US AirbBase in Iraq. And they were carrying 1000 and 2000 lbs bombs in those ballistic missiles. And they traveled as much as 600 miles from Iran to the US Airfields. I hope that Wayne is right and that we can deflect those ballistic missiles and redirect their cruise missiles somehow. That would be great if we can do that. No worries then about Iran hitting our US troops and equipment in Iraq. But they did hit one of our barracks and several of the 22 missiles hit our airbase. What I question is where were the . You know those are the anti-missile missiles that can knock the enemies missiles out of the sky. Patriot Missile batteries is very old technology. They where there, but not used from what I heard or not ready. This is a spiritual war and some where left to hit to a degree. Has to do with the theory of gravity and theory of electricity. I would love to know how these missiles basically missed. They can hit moving targets with great accuracy. How did they miss fixed objects?
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Post by moose1am on Jan 9, 2020 10:39:59 GMT -5
fas.org/nuke/intro/missile/basics.htmI found this on the internet. it's about Ballistic Missiles. I do know that the media said the US Satellites and intelligence guys saw Iran fueling and moving these missiles. They said that the ballistic missiles are liquid-fueled. So it takes some time to fuel them up before they can fire them. So we knew they were getting some of their ballistic missiles fueled up before they were fired at us. Also, the media was reporting that Iran gave the Iraqi military a heads up to stay away from those two US Airbases. The Iraqi guys told us about the warning from Iran I guess. Anyway, more of our troops had a heads up and were in underground bunkers when the ballistic missiles hit the airbase. Some hit a runway and one hit and destroyed four Barrick buildings as seen in recent satellite photos of the airbase after the Iranian Ballistic Missile attacks.
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Post by esshup on Jan 9, 2020 11:15:34 GMT -5
O.K., now Pres Trump wants to go back to the table and talk about radioactive production capability. Hasn't the past 40 years taught us anything about how will Iran adheres to what they say they are going to do?
Are we supposed to be OK with them (or their proxies) targeting US military bases or US equipment?
I wonder if the action of the President would have been any different if the troops weren't able to get out of the barracks in time?
Does this set a president for the next time (thinking of aggression by any country or entity towards us)?
Does this non-action on our part show up as a sign of weakness to our enemies now (thinking about North Korea)?
With how fast committees move, I see the Senates ploy of trying to limit the presidents power a step in the wrong direction, for more than one reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 9, 2020 11:19:58 GMT -5
You don’t change a path of a Ballistic Missile very easily once it starts a gravity fall!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:23:46 GMT -5
You don’t change a path of a Ballistic Missile very easily once it starts a gravity fall!! My point exactly. What is gravity? But gravity can be changed!
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Post by greghopper on Jan 9, 2020 11:28:59 GMT -5
You don’t change a path of a Ballistic Missile very easily once it starts a gravity fall!! My point exactly. What is gravity? But gravity can be changed! So how do you hit a moving target with one? SMH
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Post by esshup on Jan 9, 2020 12:58:14 GMT -5
My point exactly. What is gravity? But gravity can be changed! So how do you hit a moving target with one? SMH Same as you hit a flying bird or clay bird with a shotgun? Target has a known rate of speed, and is following a path (road). "X" FPS x time for missile to get to the target means target moves "X" feet and you aim for that spot. Are Ballistic missiles 100% accurate on a fixed object? Like a shotgun, if the target is within the blast radius then it doesn't have to be pinpoint accuracy like trying to hit a flying object with a rifle.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 9, 2020 14:05:01 GMT -5
So how do you hit a moving target with one? SMH Same as you hit a flying bird or clay bird with a shotgun? Target has a known rate of speed, and is following a path (road). "X" FPS x time for missile to get to the target means target moves "X" feet and you aim for that spot. Are Ballistic missiles 100% accurate on a fixed object? Like a shotgun, if the target is within the blast radius then it doesn't have to be pinpoint accuracy like trying to hit a flying object with a rifle. The target would have to have a fixed speed for sure.... my point was you don’t change the path of a ballistic Missile very easily once it started its gravity fall! The make other types of Missiles for know moving targets!
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Post by greyhair on Jan 11, 2020 9:04:47 GMT -5
I think it was a setup by Russia to make Trump more popular before the election. Backfired though.
The missiles missed, and there was no attempt by our Patriot batteries or other defenses to stop them.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 11, 2020 10:30:36 GMT -5
All is calmed down for now. But will the calm last? If history shows what has happened in the past it can also help up predict what will happen in the future.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 11, 2020 10:37:52 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 11, 2020 10:43:29 GMT -5
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