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Post by medic22 on Jan 11, 2020 14:05:58 GMT -5
Also, when going thru the data for the centerfire rifle injuries, there are injuries/deaths that are intentional that I believe are counted in the stats. The following incident would be murder, not a hunting accident. I was hunting in Wisconsin in Vilas County at the time that this happened, not 50 miles from where it happened. www.thoughtco.com/six-killed-in-wisconsin-hunting-incident-972787I know there was one person that died during the 2019 Wisconsin Deer Hunting Season that died of natural causes. Nov. 23, 2019. He collapsed and died as he was preparing to field dress his deer. Im trying to stick strictly to data published by the state DNR or in some cases ive found where someone else has sorted the data and properly sourced it. Illinois is the only state ive come across up to now that publishes those deaths. I could sort through articles, but I just dont have the time.
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Post by esshup on Jan 11, 2020 14:38:35 GMT -5
I agree with you, I just used the article as a reference to the incident. Looking at the Wi. DNR site, they don't show incidents earlier than 2007.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 11, 2020 17:15:52 GMT -5
Like a lot of our hunting regulations, this needs to be simplified.
Legal everywhere or nowhere. Period. All the rest of the lines drawn in the sand should go away.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2020 8:49:13 GMT -5
Im currently going through injury reports from various states that allow centerfire rifles for deer hunting. This is pretty damning data for the "its not safe" crowd. Any updates to your findings you wanna share?
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Post by medic22 on Jan 21, 2020 19:32:24 GMT -5
Im currently going through injury reports from various states that allow centerfire rifles for deer hunting. This is pretty damning data for the "its not safe" crowd. Any updates to your findings you wanna share? If Indiana wants me to show them that nobody gets hurt, I cant do it. It appears Wisconsin deer drives are super dangerous and theyve kinda screwed all the data. Remove the common denominator (deer drives) and Wisconsin is pretty safe. Of what I can find with yardage and public versus private. Ive only found two cases of a hunter be shot at a yardage that a shotgun probably wouldnt be an issue, but PCR's could do it. It appears most injuries occur well within shotgun range and a slight edge goes to (insert dramatic pause)..... private land for most firearms related injuries. Im not sure how in depth I want to get with all this data and it appears I still need to call some state DNR's for injury data that isnt published. Work and life obligations have been calling for the last few days. I dont expect ill get much accomplished this year going through the legislature and my understanding of the NRC, is that rules adoption is driven by public input, and as I saw one facebook, the public is poorly educated.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 27, 2020 11:06:33 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Jan 27, 2020 11:51:23 GMT -5
So if it passes as currently written, it gives the DNR/NRC the authority to create a rule allow their use on public land.
If this version passes, those wanting their inclusion on public land will need to petition NRC for that inclusion.
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Post by parson on Jan 27, 2020 12:49:33 GMT -5
So if it passes as currently written, it gives the DNR/NRC the authority to create a rule allow their use on public land. If this version passes, those wanting their inclusion on public land will need to petition NRC for that inclusion. That was my understanding of it also. We'll see.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 27, 2020 13:16:58 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the report that was required at the end of Trail period?
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 27, 2020 13:37:52 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the report that was required at the end of Trail period? My guess is it was not required to be a document report and could be verbal...but no clue or reason to believe so beyond guess.
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 27, 2020 13:45:40 GMT -5
One quick note, some have (at least I've heard somewhere) that including HPRs on the Public isn't a big issue because it won't impact that many given less than 9,000 deer were harvested this year on public according to harvest data...
...AT MINIMUM it would directly or could have directly impact over 4,500 hunters this year alone...but I'd venture to say that is incredibly conservative. That is assuming the same hunter pool that harvested the 3,494 antlered deer also took the majority of the rest of the harvests (or had a second public deer) as well...which everyone will acknowledge is probably highly unlikely.
When you start getting into the thousands of folks impacted by a decision I think the NRC should re-evaluate and think on this beyond mere gut reaction or unsubstantiate safety concerns. There are areas far more congested in the small rural chopped up sections of counties with hunters than many public lands see even on opening weekend of firearms...if safety was truly a concern it would have illustrated such IMO on private.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 27, 2020 20:45:16 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the report that was required at the end of Trail period? My guess is it was not required to be a document report and could be verbal...but no clue or reason to believe so beyond guess. Amendment #3 (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 11, 2020 16:38:24 GMT -5
I saw where HB 1385 has passed both the House and the Senate and is now in conference committee.
My Representative voted nay and my Senator voted yea. I sent my Representative an email asking why he opposed it.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 13, 2020 19:39:15 GMT -5
HB 1385 was signed by the President Pro Tempore yesterday (March 12).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 19:51:52 GMT -5
HB 1385 was signed by the President Pro Tempore yesterday (March 12). Can you elaborate what exactly this bill entails?
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 13, 2020 21:37:32 GMT -5
HB 1385 was signed by the President Pro Tempore yesterday (March 12). Can you elaborate what exactly this bill entails? iga.in.gov/legislative/2020/bills/house/1385#digest-headingIt is a bill involving various natural resources matters, but the section that I'm sure most here would be interested in is the part removing the sunset clause on high-powered rifles for deer on private ground and allowing them on a permanent basis.
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Post by jtv on Mar 13, 2020 22:34:39 GMT -5
I have no problem with them on private, but allowing them on public lands, esp. F&W area's I have a problem with .. heck, some of the 'cowboy calibers' have went over what they were originally intended with AR platforms, etc. ... heck, on some F&W areas a 300 Win. or a AR 10/7.62-308 could cover a 1/4 mile down a fire trail or across a marsh or CRP field with fast shots(full mag) ... should have be kept to Slug guns/ML's and handguns IMO ... I hope the full rifle calibers wont be allowed on the F&W lands ... IMO .... then again, I am usually done by the time gun opens (or try to be) and I wont BOWhunt during the full gun season on the place where firearms are allowed .. I'll wait till its over then go back out in late season if I have an archery tag left ...
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Post by esshup on Mar 14, 2020 1:47:10 GMT -5
I saw where HB 1385 has passed both the House and the Senate and is now in conference committee. My Representative voted nay and my Senator voted yea. I sent my Representative an email asking why he opposed it. Did you ever get a reply on why he voted nay?
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Post by sakorifle on Mar 14, 2020 2:35:15 GMT -5
Greetings For what it's worth our doe season is almost over. No injuries from the UK yet, and when I tell you that 12 of us this year have harvested 4000 deer between us, that is just twelve professional stalkers,we are in the biggest man made forest in europe, think how many shots will of been fired in the country, not just at deer but in total. I'm not surprised you have not seen the carnage as some predicted. It's all down to the user and self control especially on the respect of back stops. Regards Billy.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 14, 2020 8:00:38 GMT -5
I saw where HB 1385 has passed both the House and the Senate and is now in conference committee. My Representative voted nay and my Senator voted yea. I sent my Representative an email asking why he opposed it. Did you ever get a reply on why he voted nay? Not a peep. My Senator used to be my Representative, and he'd always reply to my emails personally, usually within an hour or two, sometimes within five or ten minutes! I guess this new guy doesn't have the same attitude. Lol!
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