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Post by moose1am on Dec 7, 2019 19:09:25 GMT -5
www.14news.com/2019/12/07/naval-base-shooter-investigated-possible-terrorism-links/This guy watched videos of other mass shootings before he went out and did the same. I blame the news media for blasting the airwaves day after day with a mass shooting event. This IMHO leads to even more people doing the same thing. Copy cats. And then the Anti's blame the rest of the legal gun owners for this problem. It's not 99% of the legal gun owners that the problem. It's the crazy people that see this on TV all the time and then go out and copy what they saw on the TV so much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:39:07 GMT -5
www.14news.com/2019/12/07/naval-base-shooter-investigated-possible-terrorism-links/This guy watched videos of other mass shootings before he went out and did the same. I blame the news media for blasting the airwaves day after day with a mass shooting event. This IMHO leads to even more people doing the same thing. Copy cats. And then the Anti's blame the rest of the legal gun owners for this problem. It's not 99% of the legal gun owners that the problem. It's the crazy people that see this on TV all the time and then go out and copy what they saw on the TV so much. You`re putting the cart before the horse. The shooter here didn`t go on a shooting spree because he watched videos. He watched the videos because he hates America and planned on the shooting spree. The videos were apparently just to get him juiced up. I`ll agree with you however on the liberal puppet media. They hate America, they despise our heritage and traditions, and they mean to assist in taking away all our freedoms and individual liberties. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 9, 2019 7:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 11, 2019 14:26:56 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't think ANY non-citizen should be able to get hands on a gun.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 17:26:15 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't think ANY non-citizen should be able to get hands on a gun. Some are of the mistaken thinking that non-U.S. citizens have constitutional rights, and that`s flat-out wrong. Period. |
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Post by swetz on Dec 11, 2019 21:31:59 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't think ANY non-citizen should be able to get hands on a gun. Some are of the mistaken thinking that non-U.S. citizens have constitutional rights, and that`s flat-out wrong. Period. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is that some rights are explicitly reserved for citizens, others apply to "persons". The latter being legally interpreted as all people within the US without regard to citizenship status. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 11, 2019 22:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Dec 11, 2019 22:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 6:30:39 GMT -5
Some are of the mistaken thinking that non-U.S. citizens have constitutional rights, and that`s flat-out wrong. Period. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is that some rights are explicitly reserved for citizens, others apply to "persons". The latter being legally interpreted as all people within the US without regard to citizenship status. While I`m not a lawyer either, (I have too much self respect to be one), The United States Constitution is the Law of the Land in America. The Constitution and Declaration of Independence dovetail beautifully as they explain both, the unalienable rights the Founders said government may not intrude upon, and in the case of the Declaration of Independence, explaining their view of the inherent worth of man, and, their just reasons for their decision to fight the British for freedom. While the Founders made it clear that man has an inherent value, simply because we are all created in the image of the Lord, only U.S. Citizens are recognized as the benefactors of the Constitution. The Constitution is in a very real sense a legal document inasmuch as our very highest government authority is based upon it. Make no mistake, the Constitution is not intended to constrain We the People, it is very much intended to constrain government. Nevertheless, the Constitution doesn`t grant rights, it merely acknowledges them, and it acknowledges those rights to American citizens, as it is American Citizens who are We the People. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 6:41:28 GMT -5
I completely disagree. This is from the article: "Nowhere in the first 10 amendments to the Constitution is the word "citizen." Often it is written "The right of the people..." The Bill of Rights protects everyone, including undocumented immigrants, to exercise free speech, religion, assembly, and to be free from unlawful government interference." For starters, it is assumed that when the Founders wrote: "The right of the people", that they were referencing the same "We the People" they wrote the Constitution for, American Citizens. Secondly, this is liberal hogwash. So called, "undocumented immigrants" have no rights here. Even U.S. citizens who are criminals have reduced rights, and these people are criminals simply by virtue of just being here. Why would illegals have any right to "be free from unlawful government interference"? Liberals would claim that means government cannot apprehend them and remove them once they`re here. That`s a load of hooey. And by the way, they`re not "undocumented immigrants". They`re not immigrants of any kind, immigrants come through the front door, they`re illegal aliens. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 12, 2019 6:56:25 GMT -5
So your saying the LAWYER in the link has it wrong or you don’t agree with his findings?
Personally I probably go with the LAWYERS findings unless someone else that’s a LAWYER can debunk his statement!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 7:17:46 GMT -5
So your saying the LAWYER in the link has it wrong or you don’t agree with his findings? Personally I probably go with the LAWYERS findings unless someone else that’s a LAWYER can debunk his statement! There are liberals who are judges, that rule based not upon the law, but upon their political leanings. That is exactly what this lawyer did, he`s writing based upon his political leanings. If this article were a case and it went before the Supreme Court, it would be overturned because there's zero legal basis for it. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 12, 2019 7:26:10 GMT -5
You may want to google “DO NON-CITIZENS HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?” And read the findings..... looks like a US judge has already determined the findings
Personally I don’t agree with all the findings but it is what it is....
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Post by swetz on Dec 12, 2019 7:39:01 GMT -5
So your saying the LAWYER in the link has it wrong or you don’t agree with his findings? Personally I probably go with the LAWYERS findings unless someone else that’s a LAWYER can debunk his statement! There are liberals who are judges, that rule based not upon the law, but upon their political leanings. That is exactly what this lawyer did, he`s writing based upon his political leanings. If this article were a case and it went before the Supreme Court, it would be overturned because there's zero legal basis for it. I'd say you're the one making statements based on your political leanings. |
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Post by swilk on Dec 12, 2019 8:11:24 GMT -5
I'd say you're the one making statements based on your political leanings. lol ... sort of what I was thinking. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 19:26:25 GMT -5
There are liberals who are judges, that rule based not upon the law, but upon their political leanings. That is exactly what this lawyer did, he`s writing based upon his political leanings. If this article were a case and it went before the Supreme Court, it would be overturned because there's zero legal basis for it. I'd say you're the one making statements based on your political leanings. You`re free to have your opinion and to express it. If you seriously believe criminals have rights in America, you`re not thinking clearly. |
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Post by swetz on Dec 12, 2019 19:42:50 GMT -5
I'd say you're the one making statements based on your political leanings. You`re free to have your opinion and to express it. If you seriously believe criminals have rights in America, you`re not thinking clearly. Criminals do have rights in America. You can say that you think they shouldn't have certain rights or that you find it distasteful, but it's simply inaccurate to claim they don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 19:49:32 GMT -5
You`re free to have your opinion and to express it. If you seriously believe criminals have rights in America, you`re not thinking clearly. Criminals do have rights in America. You can say that you think they shouldn't have certain rights or that you find it distasteful, but it's simply inaccurate to claim they don't. Natural born American citizens have virtually all their rights suspended when they are incarcerated. They cannot vote, and felons cannot buy, own, or possess a firearm, so their Second Amendment rights have been effectively suspended. Moreover, illegal aliens have zero rights in the United States. Period. Liberals can posture and weep and wail and gnash teeth, but they have no rights. |
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Post by swetz on Dec 12, 2019 19:54:41 GMT -5
Certain rights may be limited or curtailed, but they do not have zero rights. You can indulge yourself with your amateur, biased, and ultra conservative delusions of jurisprudence and case law, but you are still incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 20:03:17 GMT -5
Certain rights may be limited or curtailed, but they do not have zero rights. You can indulge yourself with your amateur, biased, and ultra conservative delusions of jurisprudence and case law, but you are still incorrect. I have to believe you`re confusing the kindness and goodness of America at large to not mistreat someone, with a "right". Certainly, we in America wouldn`t mistreat someone, even criminals who infest the nation, suck our social services dry, refuse to assimilate, mock us, and blatantly make it known that they`re here illegally and dare us to do anything about it. They do not have any so called "right", to not n=be mistreated, but because e`re good, God-fearing people, we do treat them decently and respectfully. But they certainly have no constitutional rights. Constitutional rights are solely for United States citizens. Period. |
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