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Post by oldhoyt on Jun 16, 2020 15:45:04 GMT -5
You might even need 250. If you haven't already, check out some videos by a guy called Ranch Fairy. He's all about high FOC and heavy arrows. First thing he does is bare shaft tune with 100 gr inserts and 200 gr field points.
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Post by medic22 on Jun 16, 2020 16:39:44 GMT -5
You might even need 250. If you haven't already, check out some videos by a guy called Ranch Fairy. He's all about high FOC and heavy arrows. First thing he does is bare shaft tune with 100 gr inserts and 200 gr field points. I honestly thought I might need a 250 which was why I emailed them. IIll probably order test kits of the 250 and 300 to try, I'm only shooting 63# so I could always increase weight if I need to. I did paper tune before I started any broadhead tuning.
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Post by esshup on Jul 6, 2020 0:21:20 GMT -5
You might even need 250. If you haven't already, check out some videos by a guy called Ranch Fairy. He's all about high FOC and heavy arrows. First thing he does is bare shaft tune with 100 gr inserts and 200 gr field points. I honestly thought I might need a 250 which was why I emailed them. IIll probably order test kits of the 250 and 300 to try, I'm only shooting 63# so I could always increase weight if I need to. I did paper tune before I started any broadhead tuning. Maybe I missed it but what about getting shafts with inserts where you can add weight inside the shaft with a super long allen wrench? I had a place in (IIRC) Oklahoma send me bolts for the x-bow like that and I could add as much weight as I wanted to by removing the nock and screwing more weight to the back of the insert.
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Post by medic22 on Jul 6, 2020 15:10:40 GMT -5
I honestly thought I might need a 250 which was why I emailed them. IIll probably order test kits of the 250 and 300 to try, I'm only shooting 63# so I could always increase weight if I need to. I did paper tune before I started any broadhead tuning. Maybe I missed it but what about getting shafts with inserts where you can add weight inside the shaft with a super long allen wrench? I had a place in (IIRC) Oklahoma send me bolts for the x-bow like that and I could add as much weight as I wanted to by removing the nock and screwing more weight to the back of the insert. My inserts are glued so that would have to be something I would have to entertain in the future. I like the concept
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Post by esshup on Jul 8, 2020 15:36:38 GMT -5
Maybe I missed it but what about getting shafts with inserts where you can add weight inside the shaft with a super long allen wrench? I had a place in (IIRC) Oklahoma send me bolts for the x-bow like that and I could add as much weight as I wanted to by removing the nock and screwing more weight to the back of the insert. My inserts are glued so that would have to be something I would have to entertain in the future. I like the concept Look into that for the future. These I believe are glued too, you remove the nock to add or remove weight.
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Post by sculver7 on Sept 1, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. For the first time, I built my arrows myself this year and also decided to go with a heavy, high FOC setup and I am ecstatic with the results. I used the .300 spine Black Eagle Carnivore's, right offset blazer vanes, and tipped it with a 200 grain VPA 3-blade. I bought the ethics archery field point test kit and started going through the different weights to see which weght the arrow/bow liked. Oh, I'm also shooting it from a Quest Thrive bow (amazing bow) set at 71 lbs. Anyway, found that the 200 grain heads shot best. I then nock-tuned the bareshafts until they were flying perfect. Nock-tuning made a HUGE difference in my arrow flight. Then fletched right offset vanes. Been shooting like crazy ever snce. Used to use 100 grain heads (first used Swhackers with terrible penetration then moved to Muzzy trocars that worked pretty well) but I wanted to move to a heavier setup. Penetration has greatly improved over old setups and accuracy has also greatly improved. My 40 yard groups used to be around 3.5 to 4 inches with the old setups and with this new arrow setup, my first 4-arrow group shot at 40 was 1.5 inches. My first shot with the 200 grain head on a bare shaft blew right through a glendale 3D buck target and bured itself so far in the ground, I never found it.
Total arrow weight is around 510 grains with 19% FOC. I have no clue as far as speed goes. Bow is a decent bit quieter with the new setup and everything that matters at impact (accuracy and penetration) have drastically improved over any setup that I've shot before. I encourage anybody that wants to to build your own arrows. It is a lot of time and effort but it has been super rewarding and I have never been more confident with my equipment than I am right now.
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Post by medic22 on Sept 8, 2020 17:50:10 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. For the first time, I built my arrows myself this year and also decided to go with a heavy, high FOC setup and I am ecstatic with the results. I used the .300 spine Black Eagle Carnivore's, right offset blazer vanes, and tipped it with a 200 grain VPA 3-blade. I bought the ethics archery field point test kit and started going through the different weights to see which weght the arrow/bow liked. Oh, I'm also shooting it from a Quest Thrive bow (amazing bow) set at 71 lbs. Anyway, found that the 200 grain heads shot best. I then nock-tuned the bareshafts until they were flying perfect. Nock-tuning made a HUGE difference in my arrow flight. Then fletched right offset vanes. Been shooting like crazy ever snce. Used to use 100 grain heads (first used Swhackers with terrible penetration then moved to Muzzy trocars that worked pretty well) but I wanted to move to a heavier setup. Penetration has greatly improved over old setups and accuracy has also greatly improved. My 40 yard groups used to be around 3.5 to 4 inches with the old setups and with this new arrow setup, my first 4-arrow group shot at 40 was 1.5 inches. My first shot with the 200 grain head on a bare shaft blew right through a glendale 3D buck target and bured itself so far in the ground, I never found it. Total arrow weight is around 510 grains with 19% FOC. I have no clue as far as speed goes. Bow is a decent bit quieter with the new setup and everything that matters at impact (accuracy and penetration) have drastically improved over any setup that I've shot before. I encourage anybody that wants to to build your own arrows. It is a lot of time and effort but it has been super rewarding and I have never been more confident with my equipment than I am right now. I bet those VPA's are so much easier to tune than a single bevel. Nice choice. I finished nock tuning my magnus black hornets today, 3 more should arrive tomorrow, Amazon finally got some in stock. Shooting lazers out to 50 yards (this time of year I shoot mostly long range).
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Post by scrub-buster on Sept 9, 2020 7:56:13 GMT -5
What did you find out with the test kit of different spines? Adding weight up front will weaken the spine. I shoot 400's out of my trad bows.
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Post by medic22 on Sept 9, 2020 9:15:46 GMT -5
I havent ordered test kits yet. Too much going on with both my main bow and back up needing sighted and I have a recurve I still havent shot.
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Post by sculver7 on Sept 9, 2020 10:59:01 GMT -5
I just saw this thread. For the first time, I built my arrows myself this year and also decided to go with a heavy, high FOC setup and I am ecstatic with the results. I used the .300 spine Black Eagle Carnivore's, right offset blazer vanes, and tipped it with a 200 grain VPA 3-blade. I bought the ethics archery field point test kit and started going through the different weights to see which weght the arrow/bow liked. Oh, I'm also shooting it from a Quest Thrive bow (amazing bow) set at 71 lbs. Anyway, found that the 200 grain heads shot best. I then nock-tuned the bareshafts until they were flying perfect. Nock-tuning made a HUGE difference in my arrow flight. Then fletched right offset vanes. Been shooting like crazy ever snce. Used to use 100 grain heads (first used Swhackers with terrible penetration then moved to Muzzy trocars that worked pretty well) but I wanted to move to a heavier setup. Penetration has greatly improved over old setups and accuracy has also greatly improved. My 40 yard groups used to be around 3.5 to 4 inches with the old setups and with this new arrow setup, my first 4-arrow group shot at 40 was 1.5 inches. My first shot with the 200 grain head on a bare shaft blew right through a glendale 3D buck target and bured itself so far in the ground, I never found it. Total arrow weight is around 510 grains with 19% FOC. I have no clue as far as speed goes. Bow is a decent bit quieter with the new setup and everything that matters at impact (accuracy and penetration) have drastically improved over any setup that I've shot before. I encourage anybody that wants to to build your own arrows. It is a lot of time and effort but it has been super rewarding and I have never been more confident with my equipment than I am right now. I bet those VPA's are so much easier to tune than a single bevel. Nice choice. I finished nock tuning my magnus black hornets today, 3 more should arrive tomorrow, Amazon finally got some in stock. Shooting lazers out to 50 yards (this time of year I shoot mostly long range). I nock-tuned with my bare shafts and after i fletched my arrows (2" blazers with a 2 degree offset with a slight helical), the VPA's and the field points are hitting exactly the same and there was no more tuning needed. My groups are so much better now than I've ever had before. I'm so stoked with how the arrows turned out.
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Post by sculver7 on Sept 9, 2020 11:03:59 GMT -5
What did you find out with the test kit of different spines? Adding weight up front will weaken the spine. I shoot 400's out of my trad bows. What I did was picked a shaft that I wanted to use (.300 spine black eagle carnivores) and then got the field point test kit. The test kit came with field points from 100 grains all the way to 300 grains. The results I got were crazy. I started out with the 150 grain and worked up from there. Basically 175, 200, and 225 grains all shot great out of the bow. Below or above that range, the arrow flight became erratic. I decided on 200 grains simpley because it flew great and I figured that I would get just a little more speedthan if I went with 225 grains. My FOC is right where I want it to be. The penetration I'm getting with this setup is scary and hoenstly, the arrow speed from what I can tell (I haven't chronoed it), is still pretty quick. Oh, the bow is also super quiet with the heavy point weight.
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