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Post by chewbacca on Oct 15, 2019 7:49:01 GMT -5
Why do you consider this law to be ignorant, cumbersome and pointless? Because the chances of being shot while in a commercial ground blind are extremely remote. More than that, IF someone did get shot in a ground blind, it would be someone shooting in such a circumstance that they wouldn`t have been able to see the blind anyway, such as shooting over a rise. But the likelihood of it ever happening is minuscule. Trying to find the orange is nearly ridiculous too, then, trying to figure out how to attach it to the blind so that it`s quiet and doesn`t flap everywhere in the wind. Wearing orange while moving is indeed of great value, since most deer hunters know deer don`t wear orange, but otherwise, it`s silly and cumbersome. Obviously you haven't hunted next to a guy who does an impeccable job of "grassing in" his blind. The guy I hunt next to literally makes his blind disappear in the fence row that divides us. Fortunately, he also follows the requirement for orange so I can easily locate where he is at...during firearms season. He is also known for moving his blind a few times during the season. During archery I have a really hard time locating his blind from my stand which is about 200yds away from the fence row that his blind is usually on. The biggest beef I have with the law is that I think the orange should legally only be displayed when the blind is occupied. The guy that hunts next to me leaves his orange on all through season so you never know when he is in the blind. There have been several occasions where me or one of the guys in my hunting clan let deer go that were heading towards his blind only to find out shortly thereafter that he was not in the blind. We have talked to him about it and he said he is going to attach velcro to his blind to be able to easily install and remove the orange to let us know when he is there. It is nice to have a working relationship with the guys that hunt around you.
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Post by esshup on Oct 15, 2019 16:14:03 GMT -5
^^^ Agree with this 110%! How would someone attach the 1/2 of the velcro to the blind and still keep the waterproofing good? I'd only put the orange on it when I was there.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 15, 2019 16:27:41 GMT -5
^^^ Agree with this 110%! How would someone attach the 1/2 of the velcro to the blind and still keep the waterproofing good? I'd only put the orange on it when I was there. I used clothes pins and just hang them from the windows. I tried Velcro and could not get the glue on the Velcro to stick to the blind well enough. Clothes pins are easy Peasy .
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 15, 2019 16:30:15 GMT -5
BTW - this HO on blinds stemmed from Michigan where a hunter from Indiana was Shot and killed while inside a blind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 16:43:21 GMT -5
BTW - this HO on blinds stemmed from Michigan where a hunter from Indiana was Shot and killed while inside a blind. We`ll just disagree. People get struck by lightening too, but it`s still very long odds on it happening. And I still believe that if someone were shot in a blind, it would be from such a place that they wouldn`t have had a lone of sight to the blind anyway. Me personally, I`m more than fine with hunting in a blind minus the orange. I`m not a gambler, but that`s a risk I could live with.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 15, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5
BTW - this HO on blinds stemmed from Michigan where a hunter from Indiana was Shot and killed while inside a blind. Yeah... it make no sense to require HO to be worn then allow someone to enter a blind where that orange is not visible!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 17:57:21 GMT -5
BTW - this HO on blinds stemmed from Michigan where a hunter from Indiana was Shot and killed while inside a blind. Yeah... it make no sense to require HO to be worn then allow someone to enter a blind where that orange is not visible! I think it makes great sense, because the Hunter Orange is valuable while moving. Many hunters have been shot while walking through the woods when someone shot at sound, without identifying their target. For someone to simply fling a shot into the air, and it find someone sitting in a stand or a blind, strike them and kill them is less likely than hitting PowerBall times after time after time.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 15, 2019 18:00:06 GMT -5
BTW - this HO on blinds stemmed from Michigan where a hunter from Indiana was Shot and killed while inside a blind. We`ll just disagree. People get struck by lightening too, but it`s still very long odds on it happening. And I still believe that if someone were shot in a blind, it would be from such a place that they wouldn`t have had a lone of sight to the blind anyway. Me personally, I`m more than fine with hunting in a blind minus the orange. I`m not a gambler, but that`s a risk I could live with. I'm not in agreement or disagreement on this. I was just saying where the regulation got it start. Personally I can see a need for it on public ground, but not on private ground where the hunter has some control.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 15, 2019 18:21:45 GMT -5
Yeah... it make no sense to require HO to be worn then allow someone to enter a blind where that orange is not visible! I think it makes great sense, because the Hunter Orange is valuable while moving. Many hunters have been shot while walking through the woods when someone shot at sound, without identifying their target. For someone to simply fling a shot into the air, and it find someone sitting in a stand or a blind, strike them and kill them is less likely than hitting PowerBall times after time after time. So your saying HO should only be required when moving or walking? Name me ONE state that has that type of regulation in place for deer hunting ... especially a state where HPR are legal. You do realize that most public draw hunts do not allow Ground Blind hunting for the sake of safety. lol.... on the "simply fling a shot into the air" SMH
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Post by esshup on Oct 15, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -5
After hunting in Wisconsin, where the HO requirement is MUCH more stringent than it is here (50% of the above waist clothing must be HO, HO cap, camo allowed if a minimum 50% is HO color) and the little to no effect it has on the deer, I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to wear or have HO on, Private or Public, unless they don't want to be seen for various reasons by other hunters or passers-by.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 3:57:30 GMT -5
After hunting in Wisconsin, where the HO requirement is MUCH more stringent than it is here (50% of the above waist clothing must be HO, HO cap, camo allowed if a minimum 50% is HO color) and the little to no effect it has on the deer, I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to wear or have HO on, Private or Public, unless they don't want to be seen for various reasons by other hunters or passers-by. Yeah, I didn`t say that, or mean to infer that. Sorry if I wasn`t clear in my meaning. I was only using the orange while moving as an illustration as to why it`s important there. All I started out really asking was if the ground blind requirement for hunter orange was being removed. It`s just my opinion that it`s unnecessary and cumbersome. Indiana got by an awful lot of deer seasons without it just fine.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 16, 2019 8:39:51 GMT -5
BTW - this HO on blinds stemmed from Michigan where a hunter from Indiana was Shot and killed while inside a blind. We`ll just disagree. People get struck by lightening too, but it`s still very long odds on it happening. And I still believe that if someone were shot in a blind, it would be from such a place that they wouldn`t have had a lone of sight to the blind anyway. Me personally, I`m more than fine with hunting in a blind minus the orange. I`m not a gambler, but that`s a risk I could live with. Greg, I'm not saying you're right or wrong. The law wasn't written to protect the guy in the blind. The law was written to protect the hunter who couldn't see the blind from being sued by the guy in the blind from an accidental shooting. I couldn't live with myself if I accidentally shot someone in their blind. Having orange on the blind prevents me from ever doing this.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 16, 2019 8:49:20 GMT -5
This ^^^^^^^^^^^
BTW..... you don't have accidentally kill someone to injure them for life.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 16, 2019 8:56:18 GMT -5
After hunting in Wisconsin, where the HO requirement is MUCH more stringent than it is here (50% of the above waist clothing must be HO, HO cap, camo allowed if a minimum 50% is HO color) and the little to no effect it has on the deer, I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to wear or have HO on, Private or Public, unless they don't want to be seen for various reasons by other hunters or passers-by. Yeah, I didn`t say that, or mean to infer that. Sorry if I wasn`t clear in my meaning. I was only using the orange while moving as an illustration as to why it`s important there. All I started out really asking was if the ground blind requirement for hunter orange was being removed. It`s just my opinion that it`s unnecessary and cumbersome. Indiana got by an awful lot of deer seasons without it just fine. Ground blind hunting is way more popluar today then it was in the past. Iam a traditionalist but also a realist.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 16, 2019 9:02:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn`t say that, or mean to infer that. Sorry if I wasn`t clear in my meaning. I was only using the orange while moving as an illustration as to why it`s important there. All I started out really asking was if the ground blind requirement for hunter orange was being removed. It`s just my opinion that it`s unnecessary and cumbersome. Indiana got by an awful lot of deer seasons without it just fine. Ground blind hunting is way more popluar today then it was in the past. Iam a traditionalist but also a realist. I suspect that has something to do with the aging Hunter population
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Post by steiny on Oct 16, 2019 10:06:26 GMT -5
Not a fan of the tent blinds. Why not just build a little ground blind of brush and natural materials like hunters have been doing forever? This gets around the 12" orange squares requirement too.
I've got one spot there are no trees suitable for a stand so we just tuck into the fenceline behind a couple scrubby cedars. Myself and partners have killed quite a few deer from this spot, both archery and firearms.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 16, 2019 11:02:38 GMT -5
Not a fan of the tent blinds. Why not just build a little ground blind of brush and natural materials like hunters have been doing forever? This gets around the 12" orange squares requirement too. I've got one spot there are no trees suitable for a stand so we just tuck into the fenceline behind a couple scrubby cedars. Myself and partners have killed quite a few deer from this spot, both archery and firearms. Yessir! We use free pallets to make a roughly 4' high wall and either grass them in or use ghillie material and wrap them. When I deer comes in we just pop out of the top and shoot them. Works well. Actually works better than any tent blind i've owned.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 16, 2019 11:10:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn`t say that, or mean to infer that. Sorry if I wasn`t clear in my meaning. I was only using the orange while moving as an illustration as to why it`s important there. All I started out really asking was if the ground blind requirement for hunter orange was being removed. It`s just my opinion that it`s unnecessary and cumbersome. Indiana got by an awful lot of deer seasons without it just fine. Ground blind hunting is way more popluar today then it was in the past. Iam a traditionalist but also a realist. I was going to mention this as well. I started deer hunting in 1990. I never saw my first commercial tent blind until the late 90's and they were extremely uncommon at that. They are way more common now than I ever thought they would be.
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Post by jjas on Oct 16, 2019 11:17:44 GMT -5
Not a fan of the tent blinds. Why not just build a little ground blind of brush and natural materials like hunters have been doing forever? This gets around the 12" orange squares requirement too. I've got one spot there are no trees suitable for a stand so we just tuck into the fenceline behind a couple scrubby cedars. Myself and partners have killed quite a few deer from this spot, both archery and firearms. This too may need clarification as my understanding was that ANY ground blind (regardless of materials) was subject to the hunter orange reg. Here's something posted by Morrison... 312 IAC 9-2-15 General requirements for hunter orange on ground blinds Authority: IC 14-10-2-4; IC 14-22-2-6 Affected: IC 14-22-38-7 Sec. 15. An occupied ground blind must have at least one hundred forty-four (144) square inches of hunter orange that is visible on each side of the blind from one-half (1/2) hour before sunrise to one-half (1/2) hour after sunset when the hunter is required to wear hunter orange in accordance with IC 14-22-38-7 or 312 IAC 9-3-2(t). (Natural Resources Commission; 312 IAC 9-2-15; filed Sep 13, 2013, 3:02 p.m.: 20131009-IR-312120670FRA; readopted filed May 20, 2014, 9:43 a.m.: 20140618-IR-312140017RFA) Perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but it probably would be good to get clarification if anyone plans on hunting this way...
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 16, 2019 11:29:41 GMT -5
Me and my buddies have debated about this regulation since it was implemented a few years ago. It's a really good debate. It seems like a very strange regulation at first glance until you really think about it. Everyone at first thinks that it should be their own choice as to whether or not to display orange on their enclosed non-elevated blind. On the same token I shouldn't be held responsible for accidentally shooting you in your blind that was completely concealed and not displaying orange. The law is about making hunters accountable for safety. Some think it's stupid that it applies only to ground level blinds. Well the fact of the matter is it is infinitely harder to 'grass in" an elevated blind and make it disappear like a guy can on the ground. Now I have seen where guys will set and tent blind up out in an open field 50-100yds from the edge of a woods and try to harvest deer coming out into the field and in that situation it seems almost pointless to display orange because you stand out like a sore thumb. However, as soon as the law starts making exceptions then the laws start getting more confusing. Good debate and thank you Gregr for bringing this up because I think a lot of guys don't follow this law very well.
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