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Post by HighCotton on Aug 20, 2019 8:47:13 GMT -5
I've been really happy with the performance of my CZ 457 (.22 WMR) and my Ruger 10/22 Target, Bull (.22 LR) in recent months. However, my thought process has been a bit daunting as I look to dial in each of these rifles a bit better. As squirrel season progresses, I'll switch to one or both of these rifles and I'd like to have a better handle on my point of aim vs point of impact. I realize there are many variables that can negatively influence my shot while hunting, but I'm looking to dial in under some decent conditions. Since it's easier for me to frequent a local indoor range, that limits me to 25 yards. With some searching I came across this information: www.gunsmoke.com/guns/1022/22ballistics.htmlSo far, I find the data quite helpful. I'm thinking I will try some different ammo, starting with the Ruger 10/22. I'll probably zero at 20 yards and see how that works to start. My goal here is to find the ranges that I can keep my impact within ~1 inch, or something comparable to a head shot on a squirrel. If I look at the bullet path chart for subsonics, it appears roughly, that a good zero (impact) at 20 yards should also give a good zero (impact) at approximately 50 yards. Impact here should be ~0.5 inches high at 35 yards. Let me know what y'all think. Am I missing anything here? Do you do something different? If so, what? |
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Post by esshup on Aug 20, 2019 9:16:28 GMT -5
Just remember if the squirrel is in a tree, the distance from you to it is only the horizontal distance - i.e. base of tree that you are standing at to the base of the tree that the squirrel is in.
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Post by omegahunter on Aug 20, 2019 12:12:02 GMT -5
Never really worried about it much until I started shooting the 17's where I found pinpoint accuracy for squirrel-head targets out to 100 yards. I usually set the 17's to 3/8" high at 35 yards. The HMR ends up being dead on @ 100 yards and the Mach 2 falls short of that a little of course.
With subsonic .22lr, I always used to just zero at 25 yards and make sure that I sneaked into that distance for my shot.
Got me to thinking that I may want to rethink my Marlin 881 zero with Remington Subsonics!!
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Post by HighCotton on Aug 20, 2019 16:22:38 GMT -5
I like the convenience of a local range. One downside is the shooting bench is so small I can't use a decent rest. But, I'm really happy with initial results from the Ruger 10/22 today. This was sitting on a stool with a fairly solid elbow rest under the forearm. After a few shots, I encountered a problem with 2 of my 10 round rotary mags. They simply would not feed the next bullet. My guess is they are pretty dirty?! I've never disassembled one so that will be an upcoming lesson for me. Anyway, the rifle seemed to like the CCI #35, standard velocity LRN's the best so I just worked in zeroing that in at 20 yards. I ended up working the scope in, with a few clicks here and there on windage and elevation, to a beautiful red dot bullseye! The gun is pretty heavy, but I'm liking her more with every squeeze of the trigger.  |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Aug 20, 2019 17:32:38 GMT -5
I’d say you got her dialed in pretty good.
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Post by HighCotton on Sept 6, 2019 15:32:04 GMT -5
I really look forward to getting the CZ 457 in .22WMR out on squirrels. Though I like the performance around 20 yards, I just have not been confident on what it will do at 30 or 40 or 50 yards, or for that matter, inside 10 yards. Well, I had a chance to put this on my buddy's lead sled where I could reach out to 50 yards. I must say, some time spent testing on the range with various ammo at multiple distances really beefs up my confidence. For example, the nagging question in my mind goes something like this: "Ok, got her dialed in at 20 or 25 yards! Where do I want to aim if that squirrel is out at 50 yards? And, what about that sneaky dude that is sitting on a branch some 8-10 yards away?" This is where it really paid off to see exactly what this rifle will do. First, I was surprised that I saw no noticeable difference between the accuracy and placement of the CCI 30 grain Maxi-Mag 22 WMR HP+V and the Hornady 30 grain V-Max 22 Mag! To me that was kind of cool. Second, and more importantly, the target shows the results in multiple shots as I worked the bench from 10, 20, 25, 30, 40 and 50 yards! I've never really bothered to bring my rangefinder for squirrels, but this has me thinking it might be a good idea! With some of my human imperfection factor, I basically have the CZ 457 zeroed at 25-30 yards. The rest you can see:   |
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 6, 2019 19:51:53 GMT -5
I used to have a Marlin 22 Mag that I ended up selling after I got my two 17 calibers because I just didn't touch it after that.
I used to shoot the CCI 40 grain fmj, but it would blow off an occasional offside front legs if I was off on the head shot exit angle. It would shoot the CCI 40 grain HP to the same zero and I would use those on groundhogs.
I imagine those 30 grainers will act like the 17 HMR and be spectacularly nasty on whatever part of the squirrel they come in contact with.
Fun on the head shots, but hard on the front legs. Good thing there isn't much meat on them!
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Post by deadeer on Sept 6, 2019 20:36:07 GMT -5
My favorite all time caliber, 22mag. Yes, Marlin makes them accurate enough for anything. I love mine. I think it would make a great one gun arsenal from squirrels thru anything I ever hunted.
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Post by HighCotton on Sept 7, 2019 11:10:57 GMT -5
I used to have a Marlin 22 Mag that I ended up selling after I got my two 17 calibers because I just didn't touch it after that. I used to shoot the CCI 40 grain fmj, but it would blow off an occasional offside front legs if I was off on the head shot exit angle. It would shoot the CCI 40 grain HP to the same zero and I would use those on groundhogs. I imagine those 30 grainers will act like the 17 HMR and be spectacularly nasty on whatever part of the squirrel they come in contact with. Fun on the head shots, but hard on the front legs. Good thing there isn't much meat on them! So omega...How far out are your headshots? I don’t think I’ll chance much of a headshot past 50 yards. |
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 7, 2019 13:35:47 GMT -5
Depends which gun. 50 used to be my limit with the 22 Mag. About 70 with the Mach 2 and I will hold on the head to 100 with the 17 HMR.
Point was that my exit angle isn't always what I think it is and then I have a 3 legged squirrel! 😊
Majority of them are between 25 and 35 yards.
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Post by tedch on Sept 8, 2019 6:45:31 GMT -5
Depends which gun. 50 used to be my limit with the 22 Mag. About 70 with the Mach 2 and I will hold on the head to 100 with the 17 HMR. Point was that my exit angle isn't always what I think it is and then I have a 3 legged squirrel! 😊 Majority of them are between 25 and 35 yards. I have to agree with omegahunter. It all depends on application and preference. And, I'd argue, hunting is just as much of a "fishing expedition" as it is a human experience. Time and time again, hunting and fishing seems to always boil down to the basics. And, wouldn't you know it, new fangled "stuff" catches more humans than prey. For the most part, you can get squirrels just the same with an air rifle AND slingshot, just as you can with shotgun and a 22 rifle. Check out the YouTube Channel "https://www.youtube.com/user/ShootToKillOutdoors". Lots of info, you may or may not agree with everything he says, but that's the beauty of the channel. STKO is a hoosier, born and bred. Self taught hunter. Check him out. I like his comparison of rifle versus air rifle videos myself. And, he even has a separate air rifle channel on youtube. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 23:00:13 GMT -5
I've been really happy with the performance of my CZ 457 (.22 WMR) and my Ruger 10/22 Target, Bull (.22 LR) in recent months. However, my thought process has been a bit daunting as I look to dial in each of these rifles a bit better. As squirrel season progresses, I'll switch to one or both of these rifles and I'd like to have a better handle on my point of aim vs point of impact. I realize there are many variables that can negatively influence my shot while hunting, but I'm looking to dial in under some decent conditions. Since it's easier for me to frequent a local indoor range, that limits me to 25 yards. With some searching I came across this information: www.gunsmoke.com/guns/1022/22ballistics.htmlSo far, I find the data quite helpful. I'm thinking I will try some different ammo, starting with the Ruger 10/22. I'll probably zero at 20 yards and see how that works to start. My goal here is to find the ranges that I can keep my impact within ~1 inch, or something comparable to a head shot on a squirrel. If I look at the bullet path chart for subsonics, it appears roughly, that a good zero (impact) at 20 yards should also give a good zero (impact) at approximately 50 yards. Impact here should be ~0.5 inches high at 35 yards. Let me know what y'all think. Am I missing anything here? Do you do something different? If so, what? I guess I`m confused as I look at the ballistics chart for the .22LR. It shows a zero yardage of 59 yards, but then the chart says at 60 yards the drop in inches is 4.37 inches... What am I missing? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 12:16:08 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Oct 9, 2019 10:58:48 GMT -5
gregr, that chart that you are looking at on the gunsmoke.com site is wrong. They say one thing, but publish drop data from the muzzle, not the sight in distance. That's where the confusion is.
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Post by moose1am on Oct 18, 2019 17:08:31 GMT -5
It's been a while since I shot my Ruger 10/22 rifle. About 4 years or so. But I found that the CCI Stinger ammo was perfect. I zeroed in at 50 yards and was still hitting close to the bulls eye's at 100 yards which surprised the H out of me. Regular CCI's were dropping about 4" at 100 yard with a 50 yard zero. The stinger's cases are a little bit longer than a regular CCI shell case. The regular CCI had a muzzle velocity of around 1000 ft/sec IIRC. Its' been a long time since I looked at the velocities printed on the bullet case so I could be off a lot on these velocities. All I do remember is that the CCI stinger's velocity was really up there compared to the regular CCI bullets. So the CCI Stinger shot very fast and flat which surprised me. I used less thana 1/4 of a case of 50 bullets while shooting these. Which reminds me I need to clean the barrel of my Ruger 10/22
Someone above (can't remember which guy was talking about the rotating magazine) said something about the magazine not feeding. I would leave bullets in the magazine as it was my home defense gun. (don't laugh as it's better than nothing hehe). I had a 12 gauge shotgun too). These days I have either an AR15 in 5.56 cal or a 9 mm semiauto pistol for self-defense. Anyway, the magazine spring might not fare well if you leave bullets in the magazine all the time for years on end. I got a new 10/22 rotating magazine to replace the one that came with the gun. I also cleaned the old Magazine and it was a bear getting it back together with the spring wound up right.
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