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Aug 11, 2019 8:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by ifd179 on Aug 11, 2019 8:00:50 GMT -5
I am looking for a youth gun for my son. Do you recommend a 410 or a 357? Can he use both to hunt public land for dee and does anyone know of a good place to find one?
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Post by esshup on Aug 11, 2019 8:17:42 GMT -5
If it was my son, I'd go with a .44 Mag and download the cartridge so the recoil was manageable. That way as he grows up I could add more and more powder until he was shooting regular ammo. I personally think the .410 is VERY marginal for deer and only at a close distance. If your only 2 choices are .410 and .357, I'd go with the .357 but if a 44 mag was an option I'd go that route.
Look at the ballistic data for both of the rounds that you listed, I believe the recommended FPE for cleanly taking whitetails is 900. While many deer have been killed with less, it all depends on bullet placement and a nervous young hunter might not have the accurate shooting skills of a more seasoned hunter. I am NOT saying that a bad hit with a bigger bullet is better, I am saying that he could use the .44 his whole life and not be undergunned.
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Aug 11, 2019 9:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by ukwil on Aug 11, 2019 9:27:41 GMT -5
.44 Mag all day. We have the H&R Handi Rifle with a bull barrel and a collapsible AR style stock topped with a Leupold 2x7x44. It takes 240 grain Hornandy HTP hollow points. Have yet to have a deer take more than a couple of steps before expiration.
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Aug 11, 2019 10:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by js2397 on Aug 11, 2019 10:08:31 GMT -5
I'd go with the 350 Legend,but I like new products.
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Post by Pinoc on Aug 11, 2019 12:11:20 GMT -5
I would also agree to avoid the .410. It will get the job done but not reliably. Bullet design just isn’t there yet.
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Aug 11, 2019 13:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by ifd179 on Aug 11, 2019 13:03:28 GMT -5
Thanks, I hunt mainly public land so either the 357 or 44 would work. The problem is finding a Jr. Model in either. Any suggestions, I'm in the Indy area.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 11, 2019 16:08:24 GMT -5
I would also agree to avoid the .410. It will get the job done but not reliably. Bullet design just isn’t there yet. How about those super duper TSS shells? If they kill turkeys at 40 yards with the .410 TSS survey it will kill tree rats/limb chickens at less? Ooopppsss!! I did not read the whole thread and thought the discussion was on squirrels. I’m bad. .44 mag is my choice. |
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Aug 11, 2019 17:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Aug 11, 2019 17:42:51 GMT -5
The big question is are you looking for a deer only gun? If you are, you are going to get my old standby advice. Get a muzzleloader. You can get a CVA Wolf and everything to shoot it for under $225. You can adjust the load to eliminate recoil and shot smoke, 30 grains of powder does this and is accurate and deadly out to 50 yards. You can teach load, shooting, and cleaning. You can double his available time afield. All of this with one gun.
PLUS, muzzleloaders are just flat out fun.
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Post by jjas on Aug 11, 2019 17:49:50 GMT -5
If you want to get a youth model, CVA offers a shortened stock for their .44 mag Scout and Hunter models. If the recoil of a .44 mag is too much, he can shoot .44 specials through it until he's ready for .44 mag loads.
If you want to try the new .350 legend, Savage Axis (or Axis II) models have a spacer in the stock you can take out to allow for a better fit for smaller shooters and it can be popped back when he grows into it. Ruger offers an american ranch rifle that has a shortened stock.
All of the above mentioned rounds are legal for both private and public ground too.
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Aug 11, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -5
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Post by deadeer on Aug 11, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -5
I would also agree to avoid the .410. It will get the job done but not reliably. Bullet design just isn’t there yet. How about those super duper TSS shells? If they kill turkeys at 40 yards with the .410 TSS survey it will kill tree rats/limb chickens at less? Ooopppsss!! I did not read the whole thread and thought the discussion was on squirrels. I’m bad. .44 mag is my choice. Lol. I was reading this and thought what the heck is Woody talking about? 🤔😆 |
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Aug 11, 2019 19:21:16 GMT -5
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Post by ukwil on Aug 11, 2019 19:21:16 GMT -5
The big question is are you looking for a deer only gun? If you are, you are going to get my old standby advice. Get a muzzleloader. You can get a CVA Wolf and everything to shoot it for under $225. You can adjust the load to eliminate recoil and shot smoke, 30 grains of powder does this and is accurate and deadly out to 50 yards. You can teach load, shooting, and cleaning. You can double his available time afield. All of this with one gun. PLUS, muzzleloaders are just flat out fun. This too. I totally forgot about picking one up for my kids. I got one at Walmart, CVA WOLF, with a scope and all the accessories on clearance for under 140$. |
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Post by esshup on Aug 11, 2019 19:29:02 GMT -5
I agree about the muzzleloader. That's exactly what I did for my nephew when he wanted to start hunting. I loaded the Savage down with a 200g .40 cal SST so it produced 900 fpe at 100 yds and no more. I showed his Dad how to load it and he ended up shooting 2 does the same day behind my place from the 2 person stand that I have up.
It was like shooting a 22 mag. recoil wise.
Sure the gun was heavy. That's what the shooting rail was for, so he didn't have to hold the gun up. They make shooting sticks that do the same thing for hunting from the ground. Even tripod shooting sticks so they don't sawy fore and aft.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:09:21 GMT -5
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Post by swindianapaul on Aug 11, 2019 20:09:21 GMT -5
I agree on the 44 mag. A stock which fits him will go a long long way on reducing felt recoil as well.
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Aug 11, 2019 21:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Aug 11, 2019 21:18:54 GMT -5
.357 Mag is good for 75-ish and in IME. I have one in H&R and like it a lot.
I probably would still opt for the .44 Mag though. Double-check this, but I believe you can also shoot the lesser .44 Special loads through it.
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