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Post by schoolmaster on Jul 2, 2019 15:44:40 GMT -5
Got a new squirrel rifle and have high anticipation to try it in the squirrel woods. It is a Kidd lightweight. 22 with a 4x12 Leupold scope. Preliminary groups look good and just need to shoot some more to narow down the best ammo. Getting old so need all the help I can get.
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Post by mgderf on Jul 4, 2019 5:51:39 GMT -5
Last year I read about people down-loading their .30-30 or .30-06 for squirrel. Most projectiles were barely making it out of the barrel of a long gun, but that .30 caliber pill is still hitting MUCH harder than any .22 projectile ever could.
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Post by maddog on Jul 4, 2019 7:54:25 GMT -5
Yep, 6 wks. from today, we'll be after them limb chickens!
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 8, 2019 12:17:32 GMT -5
Yikes! Time flies!
I've been thinking these last few years about switching to a handgun for squirrels, partly for the fun of it, but mostly due to some mobility issues that interfere with silently stalking to get close.
I think I'd be better able to negotiate through the woods on uneven ground, slowly and silently, with both my hiking poles, especially while keeping more of my attention on the treetops and less on the place to put my next step. Used to be pretty decent at sneaking up on 'em that way, but the remaining effects of my stroke nine years ago have altered my ability to feel my way through and to balance on one foot a while, while slowly and precisely finding the spot for the other one to come down, all while avoiding getting tangled up in low-growing vines and such.
Just seems like the use of both hands on hiking poles would aid my stability and allow a more deliberate approach while the gun was resting in its holster until needed.
I have an old Ruger MK I that I bought new about fifty years ago, and haven't used nearly as much as I thought I would, and I'm seriously considering trying out some sight options and a holster.
Just curious as to whether any of you have experiences with handgun squirrel hunting or sighting options for doing so, or any other related things to consider in making the switch.
TIA for any info. I better get busy on the prep!
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Post by Pinoc on Jul 8, 2019 13:30:32 GMT -5
I have killed a few with an open sighted Ruger Single Six but usually have my rifle with me also.
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Post by schoolmaster on Jul 11, 2019 18:12:39 GMT -5
Start practicing with the pistol. shoot a lot. Get close then get 10 yards closer. Good luck.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 12, 2019 9:24:00 GMT -5
Bullets can travel for miles so know where the bullets will impact before you pull the trigger and don't shoot up into the air as the bullet that misses the squirrel can fly off into the air and may injure someone downrange. Which is why the shotgun makes a better squirrel hunting devise. IMHO.
I'm trying to kill or chase off some squirrels that are eating my blueberries. And now we have a report of a white-tail deer feeding around the blueberry bush. Now the only thing I can do is pick the berries before the squirrels eat them all. I got a high powered pellet rifle that shoots at around 1000 ft/sec using 0.177 cal lead pellets. I've got a scope on the rifle that's zeroed in at 40 yards.
Is it legal to shoot these pests that are destroying a garden blueberry bush's fruit?
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 17, 2019 12:52:01 GMT -5
I know, it says right on the box that those .22 long rifles are dangerous for miles. I have learned that some claims are so exaggerated in the name of safety that they may end up being disregarded, and that could result in them being a net negative compared to an actually accurate estimation.
I remember my brother-in-law and I doing a very informal test of the actual range of our .22 long rifle ammo one sleepy day in the long ago past from the old bridge over White River on Paragon Road. We had a good view of the river for what we estimated to something close to half a mile upstream, and a day with little wind and no traffic, and from our positions about thirty feet above the water level, we shot several times at varying angles. We could see the splashes of the bullets hitting the water, and as best we could approximate, our best distance was achieved at what appeared to be something a bit less than 45 degrees elevation. His gun was a semi-auto, and mine was a lever gun, and one of the things we though we might see was a difference in maximum range due to a portion of his cartridge's power being used to cycle the action of the semi, but with our impromptu testing method we couldn't determine if there was any. Common sense would say there had to be, but it was hard to find in the results. A dozen rounds or so told us about all we could expect to find out that day.
The one thing I can clearly recall was that none of our shots were very close to reaching the bend of the river, the longest making it about three fourths of the way.
Our ammo was regular LRHP high velocity stuff, probably Winchester or Remington as that was what was available everywhere at the time and we weren't into ammo shopping at the time. If it consistently dropped squirrels and hit what we were shooting at in our informal contests, it was good.
There's "new" bridge there now, in the same place where the old one used to be, and with the aid of the computer maps now, it's easy to find the distance to that bend that's also still in the same place as it was then, about three thousand feet upstream. So, at that time, the best our ammo was able to achieve was a distance of noticeably less than half a mile. These days, with CCI and maybe others in the standard loads for HV LRHP's doing a bit better in performance than the ammo of sixty years ago, and the hotter loads available today, those figures would probably be somewhat better, but I doubt it would be a tremendous amount.
On the other hand, some of us now use subsonic (lower velocity) ammo with the same bullet weight, and my particular anticipated usage lately was in a pistol with about a five-inch barrel and maybe one that also uses a semi-auto action, both of which would be factors that would decrease that maximum range, but I'm not sure how much.
My favorite squirrel woods is bordered on the east by an interstate highway, and the landowners house lies the same direction, so I've been in the habit for years of not shooting anything that would come down in that direction from wherever I am at the time. Doesn't take much to keep that in mind and approach the trees that have squirrel activity in them from the side I can shoot from, then make sure I'm not shooting from an angle flat enough to drop a miss or a pass-through into the yard of one of the few houses west of the place. And if I can, I try to wait for the shot that puts the target animal against a solid backstop like the side of the tree, or a hillside if it gets to the ground. With a little forethought, we can eliminate nearly all the danger from shooting up at squirrels.
I began hunting in some pretty sparsely inhabited areas where we could pretty much disregard the possibility of our bullets coming down on someone's head, but the times have changed. The population in the two counties where I grew up and where I still hunt most, has more than doubled since then, and ignoring the fact that what goes up is also going to come back down is no longer a reasonable option, if it ever was. But it's also good to know that the bullet that just missed a squirrel on that limb almost directly overhead is not going to come down in the schoolyard a mile or more down the road.
We can make responsible decisions and it's good to base them on accurate information.
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Post by HillBillyJeff on Jul 24, 2019 15:18:35 GMT -5
Newly excited for it this year as my county has at least 5 different populations of black squirrels. And I want one.
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Post by schoolmaster on Jul 24, 2019 16:35:23 GMT -5
Just received new glasses today. I can clearer now. The squirrels are in trouble cause I can tell which end the head is on.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 31, 2019 11:09:40 GMT -5
Yeah, good vision sure helps! My best vision by far is with me soft contacts in, and I'll have them in come season.
My hunting with the Ruger MK 1 is not looking as likely right now. When I picked it up and took it to the range last week for some practice, it wouldn't feed from the magazines! I have two, both look new and both both were new about fifty years ago when I bought the gun new and ordered an extra mag. Occasional use over the years but no extended range time or burning ammo by the box, just a few rounds for fun now and then. Seemed to function just fine except it just wouldn't load from the mag, but would shove the hollow point bullet into the bottom edge of the loading ramp, every time.
Tried both mags with identical results.
Took the gun apart for a good internal cleaning, figuring that might cure it, but tat turned out to be another mistake. Spent the entire afternoon and evening yesterday carefully retracing all my steps with the best u-tube video I could find on that procedure, and I ended up with a completely dysfunctional pistol, and still no clue as to what I did wrong!
I did find that the accuracy was very promising while I loaded the rounds individually, so if I can return the gun to being functional as a single shot, I might still get to the woods with it. I did also determine that better sights will be a necessity, as the stock iron sights were pretty much useless for that kind of precision under hunting lighting conditions. About ten feet and under, maybe, but not much more.
Have a red dot holographic that liked pretty well on the Marlin, and found a mount that would place one of those lower down to the barrel to eliminate part of the holdover required on close range shots, so I'll go that way if I can get "Old Reliable" back to at least being a functioning single shot.
Gotta get back to the yard work that was put on hold while I was practicing to be an amateur gunsmith.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 1, 2019 0:00:48 GMT -5
Update: when it got too dark to continue yardwork, I found another u-tube video that was a little more descriptive and clear about the reassembly technique for the MK1, and my next attempt got me back to having a functioning gun, at least when loading each shot by hand. Haven't had the chance to get out to the range with it yet, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if it now loads from the mag. I doubt that it will, since my cleanup wasn't finding any evidence of dirt that would gum up the works, but time will tell.
I don't think handloading each round would actually be much of a hindrance in squirrel hunting. I was looking at some other single-shot options and the TC Contenders with the 10" barrels were looking real good, but pricey.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 1, 2019 0:02:27 GMT -5
Update: when it got too dark to continue yardwork, I found another u-tube video that was a little more descriptive and clear about the reassembly technique for the MK1, and my next attempt got me back to having a functioning gun, at least when loading each shot by hand. Haven't had the chance to get out to the range with it yet, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if it now loads from the mag. I doubt that it will, since my cleanup wasn't finding any evidence of dirt that would gum up the works, but time will tell.
I don't think handloading each round would actually be much of a hindrance in squirrel hunting. I was looking at some other single-shot options and the TC Contenders with the 10" barrels were looking real good, but pricey.
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Post by esshup on Aug 1, 2019 21:24:11 GMT -5
Russ:
Try bending the magazine leading lips up a hair to get the nose of the bullet higher.
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Post by moose1am on Aug 2, 2019 10:05:10 GMT -5
Russ: Try bending the magazine leading lips up a hair to get the nose of the bullet higher. Some guns had problems loading bullets onto the loading ramp of the rifle and into the chamber. This is more problematic with bullets like Hornady Critical Defense and Critical Duty as the head of the bullet is tapered and the top head of the bullet can jam at the base of the pistols loading ramp. My Ruger LC9S Pro has the problem with these two types of Hornady bullets. It load perfectly with full metal jacket bullets. I have two Inert Gas Technology type GAMO air rifles. They are break rifles and I've had a problem with the recoil destroying my scopes on these rifles. I'm using the Wisper Fusion Elite Rifle now with a new Walthers 4x 32 scope and a Gamo riser with 4 screw to hold the riser on a dove tailed Grove on the top of this rifle. I have many squirrels in the yard that are eating my blueberries on the blueberry bush. I need to build a fense all around the bush to keep them out and that's not really feasible right now. So I was trying to shoot them with the pellet gun. I have the scope dials in for the blueberry bush which is about 40 steps away from my back porch. The blueberry bush is so thick that I can't see them on the other side of the bush from the house. All I can see if the bush branches moving when there is a squirrel in the bush. But as soon as I open the back door and carrying the rifle out the door they jump out of the bush and run away. I am going to have to bring some camo or a one man tent chair blind in order to get some good shots at these squirrels. They hae eyes in the back of their heads. And there the neighbors are where they allowed several scrub trees and brush to grow thick. The squirrels jump out of the blueberry bush and run to the scrub trees and disappear in the bushes and vines that grow in this small area. And I can't shoot into their yard. So the little tree rats get away almost ever time. I'd shoot out the window but I can't get the window opened. it's stuck tight as someone painted it shut. August 15th will be here soon.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Aug 2, 2019 11:50:36 GMT -5
My air rifles are itching for some tree rats. Only problem is what caliber I’ll be using opening weekend. Im thinking my new .22 bullpup or the .25 marauder or hell who knows!
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Post by squirrelhunter on Aug 2, 2019 13:09:58 GMT -5
I've been hunting squirrels and deer with handguns since the 80s. I hunted squirrels with both open sighted and scoped but I use scoped all the time now,never was a very good shot with open sights. I prefer variable scopes of around the 2.5-9x range myself. I use to use a Ruger MKII with open sights and got quite a few with it,I wish I still had it. Been wanting to get a MKIV if I only had the money.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 2, 2019 17:02:18 GMT -5
Another update: My last update didn't go through, I may have forgot to send it (pretty sleepy}.
Quick trip to the range yesterday. Gun worked like new, including loading the next shot from the magazine with no failure to load and no damage to the bullet nose on my hollow points. Now if I can figure out what to do for sights, I'm good for the 15th.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 7, 2019 21:05:12 GMT -5
For some reason yesterday the idea jumped in my head to dig out the old Marlin model 60 for next weekend. I haven't carried a 22 since I got the 17 around fifteen years ago. Should be fun.
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Post by omegahunter on Aug 8, 2019 8:40:45 GMT -5
For some reason yesterday the idea jumped in my head to dig out the old Marlin model 60 for next weekend. I haven't carried a 22 since I got the 17 around fifteen years ago. Should be fun. I tend to do a bit of rotation during season. Usually start out with the BL-22 early in the season. It was my first gun that I got when I was 8. Then I move to the 17 Mach 2. May even carry the old Topper .410 a time or two if I get real nostalgic. Occasionally will bring out the 17 HMR. But the Mach 2 is my favorite.
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