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Post by jjas on Jul 10, 2019 16:18:37 GMT -5
My point is we shouldn't be shopping answers... that's what the "ask a CO "forum is for IMO The CO on this forum answered the question based on saami drawings and I too figured it was a done deal and that the .350 legend would be legal on both public and private ground. But now, it appears that the actual projectiles are measuring .355 instead of .357, so I don't know what (if anything) that will change. I just received this from Joe Caudell... If I hear anything else, I'll be sure and post it, but based on what the CO and Joe are both saying, it appears that it's going to be legal on both public and private ground.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 10, 2019 16:47:26 GMT -5
OK.. Our resident CO is not a Field CO (no disrespect to them) but is the Outdoor Education Section Commander at IDNR Law Enforcement Division. I'm quite sure that he knows what he is talking about 100%.
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Post by jjas on Jul 10, 2019 16:58:03 GMT -5
OK.. Our resident CO is not a Field CO (no disrespect to them) but is the Outdoor Education Section Commander at IDNR Law Enforcement Division. I'm quite sure that he knows what he is talking about 100%. Thanks for the post Woody.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 10, 2019 17:00:59 GMT -5
Thanks....Hopefully that ends the confusion!
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Post by js2397 on Jul 10, 2019 18:25:07 GMT -5
Has anyone actually measured the projectiles loaded in the cartridge.
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Post by jjas on Jul 10, 2019 18:41:04 GMT -5
Has anyone actually measured the projectiles loaded in the cartridge. I've read several reports of the projectiles measuring out @ .355. But according to what Joe sent me... So .355 falls within that range.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 10, 2019 20:00:58 GMT -5
OK.. Our resident CO is not a Field CO (no disrespect to them) but is the Outdoor Education Section Commander at IDNR Law Enforcement Division. I'm quite sure that he knows what he is talking about 100%. He's also very thorough on investigating what he posts as the legal answers. Btw... he's not far from completing his schooling to become a lawyer, so legalese is a second language to him.
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Post by omegahunter on Jul 11, 2019 6:44:00 GMT -5
saami.org/technical-information/new-cartridge-chamber-drawings/Am I reading this wrong? I am reading this as a .357" +0.000", -.003" bullet dia., .346" bore dia, .355" groove dia., all dim -.000", +.002". So, regardless of what the bullet mics, I am assuming that this will be public land legal in Indiana according to the regs. Correct?? You are correct. They have revised the bullet diameter and changed their SAAMI sketch on 4-9-2019. It used to have a 0.355" spec. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you cannot get a 0.357" bullet into a 0.357" throat as it still shows on their sketch. It would take their max + 0.002" tolerance to get that accomplished. So the planets have to line up exactly for this cartridge to chamber up in individual guns (which is why Winchester and others are having such a hard time with it at the moment). Smart manufacturers have already looked at this and are hitting max tolerances to make theirs work. However, Indiana laws have no +/- specs and the bullet has to measure 0.357" or greater to be legal on public ground. If the COs want to make exceptions to the law, that is on them.
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Post by jjas on Jul 11, 2019 7:25:27 GMT -5
At this point, the DNR has said it's legal for public and private ground on two occasions, so that's what I assume will happen this deer season.
As far as issues with the rifles/ammo, it really wouldn't surprise me as it's a new caliber and that's why I normally don't buy "first year" products...
I do like the idea though.
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Post by omegahunter on Jul 11, 2019 11:29:31 GMT -5
At this point, the DNR has said it's legal for public and private ground on two occasions, so that's what I assume will happen this deer season. As far as issues with the rifles/ammo, it really wouldn't surprise me as it's a new caliber and that's why I normally don't buy "first year" products... I do like the idea though. It was a fantastic idea that somehow turned into a steaming pile of crap with 9mm bullets. Should have stayed with .358 caliber and still been able to shoot .357 pistol bullets through it. Also should have used .223 basic brass instead of a whole new cartridge case. Would have just been basically a rimless Maximum. This is what the Legend should have been, but it was already being worked on, just not commercially: www.go2gbo.com/forums/89-wildcat-cartridge-discussion/263822-357ar-max-rimless.html
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Post by jjas on Jul 31, 2019 11:31:09 GMT -5
For those interested in using it, the .350 Legend IS listed in this year's hunting and trapping guide as a LEGAL cartridge that can be used on both private and public ground.
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Post by omegahunter on Jul 31, 2019 11:38:59 GMT -5
So much for the law...
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Post by subzero350 on Sept 11, 2019 23:58:18 GMT -5
Read: www.thetruthaboutguns.com/whats-going-on-with-350-legend/Opinions on what's legal and what's not tend to vary from CO to CO based on my experience, and a judge may not agree with their opinions when it comes to your day in court. I don't know if I would put my faith in what two people from the DNR say is legal when it probably isn't going to be either of them inspecting your rifle cartridges in the field. The letter of the law specifies a minimum bullet diameter of 0.357" which the 350 Legend is NOT. Furthermore, it has been explained to me that the Indiana DNR Hunting Guide is NOT a legal document. It is just a guide and no judge is going to grant it legal standing over what's written in the Indiana Code book. I was considering a 350 Legend build, but now I think I'm going to wait to see what this 357 Remington Ledge cartridge that's reportedly being worked on is all about.
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Post by greghopper on Sept 12, 2019 8:18:53 GMT -5
This ship has already sailed.... contact the DNR law enforcement division or the Grovner they will get you heading in the right direction!
If not legal in Indiana then other states have it wrong also...SMH
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Post by jjas on Sept 12, 2019 9:43:47 GMT -5
Read: www.thetruthaboutguns.com/whats-going-on-with-350-legend/Opinions on what's legal and what's not tend to vary from CO to CO based on my experience, and a judge may not agree with their opinions when it comes to your day in court. I don't know if I would put my faith in what two people from the DNR say is legal when it probably isn't going to be either of them inspecting your rifle cartridges in the field. The letter of the law specifies a minimum bullet diameter of 0.357" which the 350 Legend is NOT. Furthermore, it has been explained to me that the Indiana DNR Hunting Guide is NOT a legal document. It is just a guide and no judge is going to grant it legal standing over what's written in the Indiana Code book. I was considering a 350 Legend build, but now I think I'm going to wait to see what this 357 Remington Ledge cartridge that's reportedly being worked on is all about. Here's the way I look @ it... The SAAMI specs for the 350 Legend are 0.3570 with a negative tolerance of 0.0030, so those bullets (according to SAAMI) can range from 0.3570 to 0.3540. This is pretty much the same negative tolerance for similar rounds, such as 357 magnum, .38 special, etc. So it should be no different from those. Example – a 357 magnum has a 0.3580 bullet with a negative tolerance of 0.0030, so those bullets can range from 0.3580 – 0.3550. Seems to me the .350 legend falls within those accepted tolerances. Next... The CO on this forum, who has a background in Law Enforcement has said it's legal, twice. The DNR says it's legal on both private and public ground for this season. So until I hear otherwise, I'm going to use it. And if I had a CO measure the diameter of a bullet in the field (which I don't see happening) and he/she wrote me a ticket (which I don't see happening), and then I had my butt hauled up in front of a judge over this (which I highly doubt is ever going to happen), and then I showed him that the DNR said the .350 legend was a legal cartridge to use for deer hunting this season, I'm pretty confident I would walk out of there with ZERO issues. Finally, I don't hunt public ground and the .350 legend is legal for use on private ground regardless.
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Post by greghopper on Sept 12, 2019 11:28:12 GMT -5
No CO is going to measure a factory legal round..... a wildcat round most likely the case length yes.
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