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Post by HighCotton on Mar 26, 2019 10:37:46 GMT -5
Working on another deal here. A clients brother apparently bought this single shot Henry and fired one shot! Supposedly, he put the gun down on the bench and said that’s way too much for me and I don’t care to ever shoot that thing again! So now, I might have the opportunity to pick this gun up for a song. That part remains to be seen. My only thought is, I have never shot anything in 45–70 and I’m wondering if it’s more than I want to shoot. How is the recoil? How might it compare to my 50 Cal Encore muzzleloader with 100 grains pyroxene and a 240 gr Hornady XTP? Sticking with open sights, what might be a true range for deer?
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Post by esshup on Mar 26, 2019 10:46:49 GMT -5
HCG: Recoil all depends on you, what the gun weighs, how heavy of a bullet, how much gunpowder, what clothes you are wearing and the recoil pad. Go here and plug in some numbers: www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.phpAs to how far it will work, that depends on your eyes and what type of sights. Peep sights are the most accurate. Look at the buffalo hunters in the 1800's. They used 45-70, 45-90 and 45-100 cartridges. I'll bet the gun can kill a deer further away than you'd want to kill one.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 26, 2019 11:01:45 GMT -5
45/70 is stout, well in the levergun levels that you can shoot in the Henry.
If you could get it cheap and want a 45/70, then I would get it and see about trading it on a CVA Scout V2 with muzzlebrake.
In my eyes, the Henry's are not pretty guns (they do have pretty wood, I will give them that!) and usually the fit/finish seems to be lacking in the single shots where the buttpad meets the wood.
The CVA is certainly not Miss America either, but it will perform along with the Henry (maybe better) and do it with less recoil because of the brake.
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Post by oldhoyt on Mar 26, 2019 11:33:11 GMT -5
I'd never heard of this gun, so I checked it out online. Looks like a nice gun to me.
I'd try to find a peep sight if there's one made for that gun. I'd go with a slightly taller front sight with a fine bead as well. With good iron sights a standing deer at 100 yds is an easy shot. The cartridge is capable for much greater distance, so the sights you are using will determine your effective range.
I have a Marlin 1895 Lever in 45/70 and it's a sweetheart to shoot. Some factory 45/70 ammo leaves quite a bit of room for improvement, and you can load it up to suit your recoil tolerance. The newer stuff like Leverevolution is really good as is.
This is a light gun, so recoil will be more than my Marlin. They do seem to have a good recoil pad on it. I think it won't be a lot more recoil than your 50 caliber muzzleloader with good hunting ammo. I'm sure it would be pleasant to shoot with standard Remington 300 grain JHP ammo. I'd snatch it up if I were you HCG!
I find myself wanting one of these now, thanks a lot.
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Post by hornzilla on Mar 26, 2019 13:56:20 GMT -5
I have always been a big fan of the 444 and 4570. Have both and they are deer machines. I personally would put a scope on it. In my book, if it's not a scatter gun, it wears a scope. As for recoil there not bad. Maybe a 20 slug gun range.
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Post by stevein on Mar 26, 2019 19:17:00 GMT -5
I have seen a couple of them at gunshows. Much better looking then the old H&Rs. The looks remind me of the single shots produced into the late 60s. The 45-70 is going to thump you. It is a light rifle and a heavy bullet. I would reload with something in the 300 grain range. Most of the old time buffalo rifles are going to weigh somewhere around 10 pounds or more so that helps with recoil. My only experience with 45-70 is with a Trapdoor loaded with black powder. Remember the 45-70 Govt is the only Government you need in your life
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 27, 2019 6:08:17 GMT -5
Thanks for all the good feedback guys! If timing and my work schedule allow, I will have a chance to put hands on this sometime later today!
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Post by mgderf on Mar 27, 2019 19:35:03 GMT -5
I do love the .45-70, but remember, it has a trajectory almost exactly like a rainbow! At distance, you will be lobbing them in, but they'll still do the job.
The .45-70 has killed more buffalo than can be counted.
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Post by nfalls116 on Mar 28, 2019 4:38:52 GMT -5
I don’t know anything about 45-70 but what I do know is if you can get a gun at significantly lower price than retail then it should be a pretty solid investment.
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Post by oldhoyt on Mar 28, 2019 15:26:12 GMT -5
Saw some online reviews indicating the recoil is actually very tolerable.
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Post by HighCotton on Mar 28, 2019 18:35:37 GMT -5
Came with the cash & Done the deal! Couldn't pass it up! Love the wood on these Henry's! Crazier yet, the "Bro" doesn't even hunt and said he got "talked into the gun by the dude at Cabela's!" When he showed me how he shot the gun the one time, he didn't even have the butt against his shoulder. He had it under his armpit! When I suggested that I could probably help him in learning how to shoot correctly, he seemed to take a bit of offense. In more ways than one, I think I did this guy a favor by taking the rifle off his hands! To top it off, he threw in the 2 boxes of ammo (less one GLFA round): Now I just need to get to a range!
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Post by greghopper on Mar 28, 2019 19:10:42 GMT -5
Great looking gun...love the wood for sure!
BTW....give yeah what you paid for it if you don't like it just let me know.
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Post by HighCotton on Apr 1, 2019 18:02:29 GMT -5
Great looking gun...love the wood for sure! BTW....give yeah what you paid for it if you don't like it just let me know. Well buddy, I think for now, I'm gonna have to keep this beauty! She does thump pretty good but no more than my Encore. Shot a group of 5 from 25 yards at the range (longest at Shoot Point Blank). No Stinger rest. Just my left elbow on the bench holding the fore end, sitting on a stool for a little stability. Stock open sights. First 5 shots right out of the box using the GLFA, 300gr HP's! Basically 1.5" group. I really look forward to getting her out to 50 and 100 yards. I gotta bust a deer with this dude, someday, somewhere!
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Post by HighCotton on Apr 1, 2019 19:42:08 GMT -5
Saw some online reviews indicating the recoil is actually very tolerable. I hadn't seen the reviews but I would concur. Not saying I would want to shoot a half dozen boxes at one session, but I could tolerate a box or 2 at a time. Of course, at ~2 bucks a round, I'll be a bit frugal anyway! She is a pretty shooter oldhoyt! Methinks ya need one!!
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Post by oldhoyt on Apr 2, 2019 7:58:27 GMT -5
Well, it's true I don't have one. I haven't shot my Marlin 1895 at a critter in years. I suppose it deserves a turn before I gent another 45/70.
Any luck finding a peep sight that will mount on this gun? IMO it's the way to go for an open sighted deer gun.
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Post by budd on Apr 2, 2019 8:12:48 GMT -5
Had a older gentleman bring a 45/70 H&R up to bear hunt with. He had never shot it , took him out to fire off a few rounds, first shot hit the edge of a paper plate at 30 yards, gun jumped clean out of his hands...LOL...he said good enough . I then shot 4 times putting a good pattern in the middle of the plate. He spined a nice bear at 10 yards.
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Post by oldhoyt on Apr 2, 2019 11:28:05 GMT -5
Coincidentally, I just learned that the Williams Gunsight peepsight that fits the H&R single shot rifle will also fit the Henry.
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Post by HighCotton on Apr 2, 2019 13:18:44 GMT -5
Coincidentally, I just learned that the Williams Gunsight peepsight that fits the H&R single shot rifle will also fit the Henry. Well, well! I’ll have to check into that!
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Post by jjas on Apr 2, 2019 14:40:24 GMT -5
Coincidentally, I just learned that the Williams Gunsight peepsight that fits the H&R single shot rifle will also fit the Henry. Well, well! I’ll have to check into that! That would make sense as the scope mount bases for the Henry are the same as those for the H&R single shots.
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Post by bullseye69 on Apr 8, 2019 19:51:52 GMT -5
Nice looking gun!! I have a 45-70 T/C pistol. Its fun to shoot even with hot loads. Not any worse than my 500S&W revolver.
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