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Post by firstwd on Feb 5, 2019 19:21:53 GMT -5
Filled mine out.
I believe the time issue is background on the satisfaction questions. If someone put very little time in and says they are very dissatisfied with the herd, it tells a different story than someone who puts countless time in and is dissatisfied. The same is true for the exact opposite information.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 5, 2019 19:55:20 GMT -5
I do believe that is why as well firstwd. However, as with any such survey it is impossible to measure the quality of the hunter providing the input. I in ZERO way am meaning this belittling or in any fashion other than the fact as a hunter becomes more experienced or begins to take the pursuit more serious their knowledge would greatly enhance their input OR should at least.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 5, 2019 20:21:39 GMT -5
The survey link can only be used once, so please do not share your link with anyone else. The survey link will be active for 21 days. You will receive a reminder after 1 week. If you do not wish to take the survey, just ignore this email and the reminder email.
I seen(other places)some seem to think they can post the link for other to use...SMH..."The Common Sense Deer Hunter" LMAO!
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2019 20:45:30 GMT -5
The survey link can only be used once, so please do not share your link with anyone else. The survey link will be active for 21 days. You will receive a reminder after 1 week. If you do not wish to take the survey, just ignore this email and the reminder email. I seen(other places)some seem to think they can post the link for other to use...SMH..."The Common Sense Deer Hunter" LMAO! Gone are the days of multiple survey inputs - as well it should be.. But the conspiericy theorists will fan the flames if they can..
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2019 20:49:30 GMT -5
When the OBR first came up for discussion it was widely reported that there was approximately 6,000 “double dippers”..
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Post by tenring on Feb 5, 2019 23:44:39 GMT -5
Got it, busy, right now. Will fill it out tomorrow.
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Post by esshup on Feb 6, 2019 0:11:15 GMT -5
Just finished taking it. Seems access and the one buck rule are a couple main focuses. Agreed. I filled out mine.
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Post by onebentarrow on Feb 6, 2019 0:38:10 GMT -5
Is this a survey for folks that didn't kill a deer and take that survey.....Anyone know? I did not kill a deer this year and got one.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Feb 6, 2019 10:16:22 GMT -5
Really thought CWD should have been on there. 2 buck questioning a surprise. Most infected CWD deer are bucks. Hmmmm?!? To be honest..I'm simply confused about CWD. I see the number of deer harvested in states like Illinois,Michigan,Ohio..and can't help but think..is it (CWD) that detrimental to the herd? Some of these states have had this disease around for years and have short firearm seasons and still harvest large amounts of deer. I definitely don't want it here..just trying to understand after reading so many articles in the 3 whitetail magazines I subscribe to.
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Post by jbird on Feb 6, 2019 10:32:16 GMT -5
I figure they are trying to find ANY way they can to get us to kill as many deer as possible. I bet that they got feedback that some hunters are only hunting for a buck and with the current rule they kill one and are done. Where if they had the ability to take two, they would...which would also generate more income for the DNR! The thinking is let the horn hunters kill as many as they want and let the meat hunters do the same....kills more deer, sells more tags...double win for the DNR...maybe not what is best for the resource. Having heard Joe speak on deer more than once, I guarantee you they are not nor do they desire more deer harvested statewide. Specific reduction zones are the only areas I'd say your words would share directions with their plan. Woody would probably remember but the amount of hunters that doubled up buck wise when TBR was norm was less than 10,000 which is quite few honestly. Maybe my comment about the DNR plan - is inaccurate with the new team. However, history has shown that the DNR has done nothing but fully support essentially the killing of as many deer as possible since the late 90's. The addition of PCR's, HPR's, X-bows, additional seasons, high bonus quotas and the like fully demonstrate that. So maybe I'm still jaded from their previous lack of transparency and maybe I should not carry that over to the new team....I am still however very skeptical. I support the ORB...even though I have cursed it before. The ORB was started in 2002 - that was back when the harvest was in the 100,000 range....but that was back when the herd was growing. I think the ORB rule was actually started to force the hand of hunters who wanted more than one deer to take antlerless deer. Currently 70% of successful hunters only take a single deer. Lifting the ORB in my opinion will increase buck harvest, result in lower buck quality, and once again make management of the antlerless population less effective as many hunters will prefer to kill 2 bucks vs a buck and a doe. Many hunters want the antlers - regardless of how small....especially when they know they have the option of 2. The shift in the harvest will also impact the sex ratio which will limit competition, draw out the breeding season and reduce the intensity of the rut. All just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 10:40:32 GMT -5
I didn't get the survey, but this past season was the fourth year out of 35 years not getting one from Indiana. I hunted 6 full days and only saw a couple deer. Luckily, my Ohio area was better this time. I like Ohio, they send it out before seasons starts so you can fill it out as you go. Sent Ohio in last month.
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Post by salt on Feb 6, 2019 11:45:39 GMT -5
I got the survey and haven’t bought an Indiana license several years. Maybe they want to know why I stopped hunting in Indiana. I gave them my opinion on their poor herd management in Adams County.
Maybe I wasn’t paying attention, but I don’t recall any questions about OBR. There were questions about the size of the herd, etc
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Post by esshup on Feb 6, 2019 11:49:23 GMT -5
In the area that I mostly hunt, in the past 9 years I have seen the buck population take a complete 180. 8-9 years ago I saw many older bucks, I'd say in the 3-5 year old range with 8, 10 and one 12 point racks and a few non-typicals. Couple of houses were built within 1/2 mile and now all I'm seeing is spikes, four point racks, with a few 6 point and even fewer 8 point racks. The age "class" of the deer has changed with the majority of deer now being 2 1/2 with very few 3 1/2 year olds and none older than that showing up on camera now. The size of the trees that are being rubbed now has changed greatly too.
I believe it's mostly due to poaching, with a smattering of poor shooting and not recovering the deer, "so lets shoot another" mindset, and just more hunters in the area which is fine if they could shoot worth a hoot. 2 years ago during ML season I heard what I thought was a .223. Great I thought, someone is putting the hurt to coyotes. About 1/2 hr later I see this buck that I passed during archery season come hobbling by, one front leg dangling from the knee down. I grab the ML, hot foot it to the edge of the property (I had an idea where it was headed to bed down) and shot it before it left the property. There was a hole thru the one front knee that looked like it was a FMJ .22 caliber hole. Exact same size in and out, knee shattered.
I am averaging finding one deer per year on the property that has been shot on neighboring property and not recovered. This year it was a 1 1/2 year old 10 point. The rack wasn't any bigger than it's ears and it had an 8-9 month old body but a 1 1/2 year old face. I would love to have seen that deer in 3 years. Gut shot right in front of the rear legs, thru and thru. From where it died, I believe it walked across the whole property and died right before it left the property.
Another reason (I believe) for the decline in the deer population in the area is the DNR's fault. There is a farmer that owns considerable ground on 2 sides of the property. He has 20-20 acres in CRP but hates deer. After talking to the DNR Bioligist, she said he applies for and gets quite a few depredation permits. (in blocks of 10 permits) She said when he fills them, he applies for and gets another 10. If the farmer was required to remove the shot deer and take them to a place that can utilize the deer for feeding the hungry or homeless, I think that there would be less deer shot. As it is now, they can be shot and left lay. Yes, the horns are supposed to be cut off and turned in but who checks that? With the drastic reduction in fur prices, how much damage to the corn is caused by coons and not deer?
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 6, 2019 12:07:59 GMT -5
I too have not been seeing older bucks for a few years now and I hunt 4 different properties in 2 counties. Everything has been 1.5 year olds. Decent number of does though. I hunted less days this season than in a long time
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Post by firstwd on Feb 6, 2019 16:30:46 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only person seeing less and less older/bigger deer, and not just bucks - our doe age structure seems to be falling as well.
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Post by parkerbow on Feb 6, 2019 19:43:11 GMT -5
I put in many hours every year and hardly ever see a 3.5 yr old deer or older deer. Granted I mostly hunt big public land. The big deer are few and far in between.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 6, 2019 20:54:29 GMT -5
I saw more mature bucks this year than in many previous years. Also saw quite a few does and most seemed to be mature to me. Just all depends on the area. I know quite a few older bucks made it through the season too. Should be a great selection this fall. I’m really looking forward to it. Don’t expect all years to be like this one with 5 deer in the freezer and one more for the wall, but I’ll take it when it’s given.
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Post by Brian K. on Feb 7, 2019 1:45:05 GMT -5
I received it and already filled it out, 1st time ive ever received one and I thought the comment box was a good idea.
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Post by mgderf on Feb 7, 2019 7:23:44 GMT -5
I can't recall where, but I just read something the other day saying someone thinks they may have a cure for CWD (Chronic wasting disease) in deer and elk. No idea why or how they think that's possible, but I'm all for it.
I also received and submitted my survey yesterday.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 7, 2019 10:33:51 GMT -5
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