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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 10, 2018 12:35:19 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2018 12:39:06 GMT -5
That's a few "unintentional" things to have happen.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 13:06:48 GMT -5
...Gano said the citations are “the equivalent of a traffic ticket.”  Interesting qoute coming from the CO working the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 13:21:39 GMT -5
Yes, and it sounds like he had to know he was trespassing. That's not unintentional!!! If story is correct, then criminal.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 13:33:40 GMT -5
Yes, and it sounds like he had to know he was trespassing. That's not unintentional!!! If story is correct, then criminal. $10,000.00 fine?..... think we decaused this amount of fine on another thread! One fine fits all... |
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Post by jimstc on Dec 10, 2018 14:14:56 GMT -5
I know John Gano. In fact I have in my phone contacts from a previous encounter. He is a fair, open minded officer. As I recall he is very close to retirement. Coincedentially, I met him on Thanksgiving day in 2015
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 10, 2018 14:52:31 GMT -5
It kinda sounded like they were making excuses for him that wouldn't fly for the rest of us.
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Post by featherduster on Dec 10, 2018 15:08:41 GMT -5
No sorrow for the deputy,to many violations.
I Feel sorry for the Conservation Officer having to investigate a person that is being described as a good police officer.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 15:12:43 GMT -5
No sorrow for the deputy,to many violations. I Feel sorry for the Conservation Officer having to investigate a person that is being described as a good police officer. And the landowner also |
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Post by jbird on Dec 10, 2018 15:17:09 GMT -5
Law enforcement or not... he has to play by the same rules we all do. Not saying they need to ruin the guys career, but if he is guilty then he needs to pay the piper! IF he is an upstanding guy...he should EXPECT to pay the piper!
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Post by schall53 on Dec 10, 2018 15:47:50 GMT -5
I can buy the unintentional trespass but how do you hunt deer unintentionally without a license?
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 10, 2018 17:42:02 GMT -5
I agree with you Schall53. Trespassing could have been a mistake but, hunting without a license would be pretty hard to justify. I'm okay with how it was handled. He was fined and will no doubt face discipline from his department plus the public humiliation. "The Book" doesn't need to be thrown at everyone. Hopefully he's learned his lesson and doesn't become a repeat offender. If so, I hope he's dealt with accordingly. I can buy the unintentional trespass but how do you hunt deer unintentionally without a license? |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 18:16:14 GMT -5
I like to hear the other guy's story.... something is missing IMO
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 10, 2018 18:28:10 GMT -5
First off I was not there so I do not know every thing that went on or was said, with that in mind I personally feel law enforcement should be held to a higher standard if they "knowingly" broke a law. They enforce them and can arrest people for breaking them so they should know them and FOLLOW them.
I know for a fact that the sheriff's department can investigate wildlife violations in the absents of a DNR officer.
I killed a goose on dec 31st thinking season went out on the 31st when in fact it went out on the 30th. The DNR was not available and the sheriff's office came to investigat and gave all the info over to the local conservation officer when he was available. To make a long long story short I received a warning for hunting out of season. So I know personally a person can make an honest bobo.
If every thing that went on was an HONEST mistake then I can see some common sense being used and no harsh penalties being imposed, but if any part was NOT an honest mistake then he should suffer the highest punishment for those infractions because he is an officer of the law.
Do not get me wrong. I despise a pocher who has the intention of knowingly breaking the game laws because he doesn't care. Should throw the book at him and make it hurt his wallet. Here again common sense should prevail. If I shot a spike thinking he was league and he measures 2 7/8 in I do not feel I should be fined $10,000 but I made a mistake and I should be fined something
but a guy that shoots a 6 point at night with a light should pay the $10,000. He knew he was in the wrong and it was not an honest mistake.
These are my opinions.
Onebentarrow
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2018 19:19:26 GMT -5
Every person I know has been given the benefit of the doubt during their first encounter with the many COs I know, unless it is a situation like night road hunting, or bait, or drugs.
The truth is, we don't know the whole story and therefore can't make a decision based on all the information. I do truly hope that any common citizen found in the same situation would receive the same consideration.
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 10, 2018 23:43:00 GMT -5
Every person I know has been given the benefit of the doubt during their first encounter with the many COs I know, unless it is a situation like night road hunting, or bait, or drugs. The truth is, we don't know the whole story and therefore can't make a decision based on all the information. I do truly hope that any common citizen found in the same situation would receive the same consideration. Great point. I completely agree |
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Post by Russ Koon on Dec 11, 2018 13:21:38 GMT -5
Hmmm....if he was "ignorant" of whether he had permission on the property, AND "ignorant" of the requirement to be licensed, AND "ignorant" of the requirement to have the legal 144 square inches of orange on each side his blind, maybe he's too ignorant to be a police officer, even if he has done some good stuff. Seems to me like being able to read and understand the regulations and know that they also apply to LE personnel, would be a serious requirement for the job.
Sounds more to me like just another new member of a local "good old boys club" who was actually just ignorant of how far outside the law he could play without paying the price. Sorry that a potentially good officer has to pay a hefty price to enforce the rule of law, but I don't think we should all be "ignorant" enough to let it slide and then expect the next officer to follow the rules, or any officers to follow the next "unimportant" little rule.
Our society depends on the rule of law being superior to the rule of "who you know", and it must be upheld even when it hurts or it will be worse than useless.
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Post by Russ Koon on Dec 11, 2018 13:22:37 GMT -5
Hmmm....if he was "ignorant" of whether he had permission on the property, AND "ignorant" of the requirement to be licensed, AND "ignorant" of the requirement to have the legal 144 square inches of orange on each side his blind, maybe he's too ignorant to be a police officer, even if he has done some good stuff. Seems to me like being able to read and understand the regulations and know that they also apply to LE personnel, would be a serious requirement for the job.
Sounds more to me like just another new member of a local "good old boys club" who was actually just ignorant of how far outside the law he could play without paying the price. Sorry that a potentially good officer has to pay a hefty price to enforce the rule of law, but I don't think we should all be "ignorant" enough to let it slide and then expect the next officer to follow the rules, or any officers to follow the next "unimportant" little rule.
Our society depends on the rule of law being superior to the rule of "who you know", and it must be upheld even when it hurts or it will be worse than useless.
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 11, 2018 13:27:50 GMT -5
He was fined. It wasn't lead slide by.
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