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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 1, 2018 12:27:16 GMT -5
IMO, these guns are nothing more than another tool for hunting. If the state decides to allow them, I have no problem with it. Having said that, I don't see the point of handicapping myself with a gun with very limited ranges that are very expensive (as compared to the legal firearms available now). But...to each their own. Some hunters use archery duri g gun season |
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Post by jjas on Dec 1, 2018 12:34:36 GMT -5
IMO, these guns are nothing more than another tool for hunting. If the state decides to allow them, I have no problem with it. Having said that, I don't see the point of handicapping myself with a gun with very limited ranges that are very expensive (as compared to the legal firearms available now). But...to each their own. Some hunters use archery duri g gun season And as I said before... To each their own. |
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Post by esshup on Dec 1, 2018 13:10:55 GMT -5
O.K., reloading components are NOT subject to the 11% PR excise tax, so by me reloading 95% of my own ammunition I am in the same boat as anybody shooting an air rifle. Only the air rifle is the thing that is not taxed as compared to a hunter using a cartridge firing rifle. So, in my mind, the PR argument is a moot point, because just like the State of Indiana's stance on High Powered handguns used for deer hunting, not enough people use them to hunt with to make it an issue. |
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 1, 2018 15:32:59 GMT -5
O.K., reloading components are NOT subject to the 11% PR excise tax, so by me reloading 95% of my own ammunition I am in the same boat as anybody shooting an air rifle. Only the air rifle is the thing that is not taxed as compared to a hunter using a cartridge firing rifle. So, in my mind, the PR argument is a moot point, because just like the State of Indiana's stance on High Powered handguns used for deer hunting, not enough people use them to hunt with to make it an issue. Good to know! Also if they are not beeing taxed now why should they be taxed just for deer? They arent in any other state. And I make all my own ammo for my big bores. I buy pellets for .25 and under. You arent going to find anything over .22 in any place but online anyway. No one even carries .25 and up airguns in a brick and mortar. Unless its an airgun shop and we have 1 in all of indiana. Keep the comments coming. It’s a good subject and it is being worked on to get them legal in indiana by more than just me. |
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 1, 2018 18:29:37 GMT -5
Some more recent kills in the past month with the .457 Texan. 250lb hog and 570lb red stag. Hog didnt move stag ran 30yds.   |
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Post by esshup on Dec 1, 2018 20:28:28 GMT -5
I hate to say how long ago I started using an airgun for squirrel/rabbit hunting. Lets just say what I was using was a FWB124 that was purchased from Beeman right after they moved to San Rafael....... I still have it and the Beeman Scope that I bought at the same time, but now it wears a Simmons 44Mag scope. I won a few Field Target matches with it but switched to a TX200 because it was a tad more accurate. Then the guns to have were the PCP's that ALlen Zadanski near Lake Geneva, Ill was modifying and adding his moderators to. So, I've been around air rifles for a bit.  |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2018 8:12:27 GMT -5
O.K., reloading components are NOT subject to the 11% PR excise tax, so by me reloading 95% of my own ammunition I am in the same boat as anybody shooting an air rifle. Only the air rifle is the thing that is not taxed as compared to a hunter using a cartridge firing rifle. So, in my mind, the PR argument is a moot point, because just like the State of Indiana's stance on High Powered handguns used for deer hunting, not enough people use them to hunt with to make it an issue. With them thoughts maybe a equipment lic. Is the answer to gain lost funds.... just ramp up the price. |
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 2, 2018 12:28:22 GMT -5
These air rifles are already $1000-$1800 depending on what you get. You can get some for around $650-$800 with less power but still. I should get credited money back for not getting a deer 3 years in a row by that thinking. I pay for 3 liscenses a year already. You know how many more deer a year I see in my county? Zero compared to the previous year and we have a no bonus quota. I still see maybe 4 bucks and 4 does each year on a 90acre woods with 300acres of fields. So that tax is doing squat for hunting in my county. Might see 2 road kills during the rut if you are lucky. And I drive daily all over 2 counties. So excuse me if I think adding more money to conservation in Indiana is the answere. Conservation is on us hunters not the tax man. Allowing air guns to harvest deer isnt going to add revenue to fix the deer herds nor is it going to hurt them. But it would sell 1 more gun tags in my family and Im sure over a few years many more. My son being a little 13yr old cant reach the trigger on most long rifles. He can put a slug within 2” of bull at 70yds every shot with my .457 air rifle though.
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Post by esshup on Dec 2, 2018 12:29:10 GMT -5
O.K., reloading components are NOT subject to the 11% PR excise tax, so by me reloading 95% of my own ammunition I am in the same boat as anybody shooting an air rifle. Only the air rifle is the thing that is not taxed as compared to a hunter using a cartridge firing rifle. So, in my mind, the PR argument is a moot point, because just like the State of Indiana's stance on High Powered handguns used for deer hunting, not enough people use them to hunt with to make it an issue. With them thoughts maybe a equipment lic. Is the answer to gain lost funds.... just ramp up the price. Yeah, I can see that happening. NOT!! Who will monitor that, who pays for the labor to monitor that and who monitors the mfg's to make sure they are sending the checks in the correct amount to the correct place? |
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 2, 2018 12:34:47 GMT -5
With them thoughts maybe a equipment lic. Is the answer to gain lost funds.... just ramp up the price. Yeah, I can see that happening. NOT!! Who will monitor that, who pays for the labor to monitor that and who monitors the mfg's to make sure they are sending the checks in the correct amount to the correct place? Fortunately for the airgunners the manufacturers are backing the legality to hunt big game. Sure they want to sell airguns but they are also hunters. Airforce,crossman,Umerex and Hatsan are all sponsoring hunters. If you have the pursuit channel there is going to be a Lethal Air. Show starting this month. Keep an eye out for it. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2018 13:06:17 GMT -5
With them thoughts maybe a equipment lic. Is the answer to gain lost funds.... just ramp up the price. Yeah, I can see that happening. NOT!! Who will monitor that, who pays for the labor to monitor that and who monitors the mfg's to make sure they are sending the checks in the correct amount to the correct place? Crossbows have their own.Deer lic. now.... I am talking on a state level not nation wide. |
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 2, 2018 13:28:47 GMT -5
I dont think a seperate lic is the answere. Would end up loosing money from low number of sales. Just include them in rifle season like every other state.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2018 13:51:29 GMT -5
Not sure how you would lose money.... no money was or has been lost with the crossbow lic.
Either you use them or you don't.
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Post by esshup on Dec 2, 2018 21:15:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see that happening. NOT!! Who will monitor that, who pays for the labor to monitor that and who monitors the mfg's to make sure they are sending the checks in the correct amount to the correct place? Crossbows have their own.Deer lic. now.... I am talking on a state level not nation wide. I thought you were talking about a tax on the national level like the PR tax is. |
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Post by medic22 on Dec 2, 2018 21:18:59 GMT -5
How about we fix this ridiculous rifle law and then we can revisit new equipment?
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Post by esshup on Dec 2, 2018 21:22:45 GMT -5
How about we fix this ridiculous rifle law and then we can revisit new equipment? now THAT I agree with. That and the stupid time zone fiasco. |
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 2, 2018 22:34:11 GMT -5
How about fix the rifle law and add air rifles? Double win! Although I dont use HP rifles. I dont care what people use as long as it does the job.
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Post by jjas on Dec 2, 2018 23:36:14 GMT -5
How about we fix this ridiculous rifle law and then we can revisit new equipment? What is it that you want done with the existing rifle law? |
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 3, 2018 6:54:21 GMT -5
How about we fix this ridiculous rifle law and then we can revisit new equipment? What is it that you want done with the existing rifle law? I’m going with open up HPR’s to be legal on all lands and make it permanent. |
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Post by medic22 on Dec 3, 2018 8:57:44 GMT -5
What is it that you want done with the existing rifle law? I’m going with open up HPR’s to be legal on all lands and make it permanent. This. All or nothing |
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