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Post by AcesWildAA on Nov 30, 2018 10:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Nov 30, 2018 10:35:54 GMT -5
My only concern is would this make it easier to poach/get around legal hunting times? I know bigger bored rifles aren’t necessarily quiet, but for the amount of damage they do, and the fact you can get them suppressed i could see it happening.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Nov 30, 2018 11:15:32 GMT -5
A poacher is going to poach regardless. Nothing stoping them from using any method right now. Including air rifles. Ever hear an argument on poaching with bows and crossbows because they arent cannon loud? Most big bores capable of taking deer are loud with air compensator on or not. Its never going to be hollywood quiet.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 30, 2018 12:13:28 GMT -5
My issue with them being legal in Indiana is the pay 0 zero in PR funds.... if that was to change then we could consider them.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Nov 30, 2018 12:26:17 GMT -5
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Post by AcesWildAA on Nov 30, 2018 12:28:18 GMT -5
My issue with them being legal in Indiana is the pay 0 zero in PR funds.... if that was to change then we could consider them. Explain PR funds to me? I’m unsure what PR funds we should have to pay to use an air rifle? It is not a firearm and can not be construed as one in any circumstance as there is no detonation. Lot of other states around for me to hunt deer with them so I’m not to worried about it. But it would be nice to do in my home state. Next year I’m going back to Virginia or Texas. Also considering Kentucky or Tenn. I’ll just continue killing coyotes and squirrels with them until Indiana makes deer legal. If ever. I would just rather hunt with an air stick.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 30, 2018 13:47:33 GMT -5
Pittman Robertson funds/act
It's a Tax on Hunting equipment .
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Post by AcesWildAA on Nov 30, 2018 15:46:09 GMT -5
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Post by beermaker on Nov 30, 2018 19:51:01 GMT -5
Keep at it with the air guns.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Nov 30, 2018 20:13:09 GMT -5
OH I will! They are all I use after I get my bow deer for the year. If you havent shot a big bore like mine then you are missing out on some fun! Even more so when your own hand cast slug drops a deer within 20yds. Nothing like it! Unless you craft your own arrows and long bow.
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 1, 2018 2:01:05 GMT -5
My issue with them being legal in Indiana is the pay 0 zero in PR funds.... if that was to change then we could consider them. Explain PR funds to me? I’m unsure what PR funds we should have to pay to use an air rifle? It is not a firearm and can not be construed as one in any circumstance as there is no detonation. Lot of other states around for me to hunt deer with them so I’m not to worried about it. But it would be nice to do in my home state. Next year I’m going back to Virginia or Texas. Also considering Kentucky or Tenn. I’ll just continue killing coyotes and squirrels with them until Indiana makes deer legal. If ever. I would just rather hunt with an air stick. The PR funds is an added tax that is on all guns and amo that goes to the feds and is distributed to each state DNR once a year. Its inception was by hunters for conservation. The allotment is x amount for each hunter in the state. To my knowledge air rifles do not have this tax. The assumption from some of the comments I read would be that airgun hunters do not pay this tax and thus do not contribute to the conservation dept . I have watched different YouTube vedios of air guns hunting and like any other piece of hunting equipment they have their limitations but in companet hands they are totally adequate for deer and can get the job dune very efficiently. I do know they are makaing them in large calibers up to 45 and there fps on the projectiles are as good or better than some hand guns used for deer hunting. I am not one for taxes but in this case I feel the PR tax should be expanded to included all air rifles and amo because they ARE a hunting implement and are used as such. The argument for just plinking does not cut it with me because meny people own guns that only target shoot and do not hunt and they pay the PR tax on all their perchances so air gunners should too. As to they do not have detonations so they are not a fire arm is correct but they do the same as a fire arm just with a different propellant. Muzzeloaders do not have a detonation either, it is an explosion but are treated the same as a firearm. I personally would like to see the tax added to binoculars so the bird and animal watchers (some anti hunting)that benifit from the PR concervarion tax would have to pay there fair share of conservation too. If I am not mistaken the PR tax is also on archery equipment too Onebentarrow
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Post by greghopper on Dec 1, 2018 6:02:16 GMT -5
Explain PR funds to me? I’m unsure what PR funds we should have to pay to use an air rifle? It is not a firearm and can not be construed as one in any circumstance as there is no detonation. Lot of other states around for me to hunt deer with them so I’m not to worried about it. But it would be nice to do in my home state. Next year I’m going back to Virginia or Texas. Also considering Kentucky or Tenn. I’ll just continue killing coyotes and squirrels with them until Indiana makes deer legal. If ever. I would just rather hunt with an air stick. The PR funds is an added tax that is on all guns and amo that goes to the feds and is distributed to each state DNR once a year. Its inception was by hunters for conservation. The allotment is x amount for each hunter in the state. To my knowledge air rifles do not have this tax. The assumption from some of the comments I read would be that airgun hunters do not pay this tax and thus do not contribute to the conservation dept . I have watched different YouTube vedios of air guns hunting and like any other piece of hunting equipment they have their limitations but in companet hands they are totally adequate for deer and can get the job dune very efficiently. I do know they are makaing them in large calibers up to 45 and there fps on the projectiles are as good or better than some hand guns used for deer hunting. I am not one for taxes but in this case I feel the PR tax should be expanded to included all air rifles and amo because they ARE a hunting implement and are used as such. The argument for just plinking does not cut it with me because meny people own guns that only target shoot and do not hunt and they pay the PR tax on all their perchances so air gunners should too. As to they do not have detonations so they are not a fire arm is correct but they do the same as a fire arm just with a different propellant. Muzzeloaders do not have a detonation either, it is an explosion but are treated the same as a firearm. I personally would like to see the tax added to binoculars so the bird and animal watchers (some anti hunting)that benifit from the PR concervarion tax would have to pay there fair share of conservation too. If I am not mistaken the PR tax is also on archery equipment too Onebentarrow Exactly......... they should be included in the tax before they are considered for use in Indiana.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 1, 2018 9:24:33 GMT -5
Hey guys they are not ever going to be included in that tax. That argument has flown the coop. They are already legal in at least 13 states for Deer and nearly every state for small game and many states for fur bearers. And they are not the same as a muzzle loader. There is zero powder or ignition involved. And what ammo are you going to tax? All lead? Then you double tax firearm ammo. How about the air you breath? Its also its propelant. Hows 1 cent a cubic centimeter sounding to you? By the way you breath in about 100 times that per inhale. So $1 a breath. This is a joke right? Im fairly sure my $1800 week to hunt in another state for deer would be better spent in Indiana. But I guess since our state doesnt get a .01 tax they loose out on money? I do not hunt the deer gun season here. I buy an out of state tag. More money lost to our Wildlife. I only bow hunt here. I already use airguns for EVERYTHING I hunt but DEER. And they dont just go up to .45. Ive shot a .50 a 12 gauge and 20mm beast! Heres the bullet of the 20mm 1550gr next to my .457
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Post by jjas on Dec 1, 2018 9:37:20 GMT -5
IMO, these guns are nothing more than another tool for hunting. If the state decides to allow them, I have no problem with it.
Having said that, I don't see the point of handicapping myself with a gun with very limited ranges that are very expensive (as compared to the legal firearms available now).
But...to each their own.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 1, 2018 9:57:37 GMT -5
IMO, these guns are nothing more than another tool for hunting. If the state decides to allow them, I have no problem with it. Having said that, I don't see the point of handicapping myself with a gun with very limited ranges that are very expensive (as compared to the legal firearms available now). But...to each their own. You are right they are expensive! Good point. And poachers would more than likely not spend the $800-$2000 for the equipment to use them. Ive got $2500 in my .457 all included. Could spend another $300-$400 on hand grips and trigger gaurd. This is not including my tanks and compressor. But here I am as an advocate using air rifles to hunt over my rifles and shotguns. Its just a different method as you say. But it is a fun and adictive tinkering hobby.
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Post by esshup on Dec 1, 2018 10:02:06 GMT -5
In regards to PR funds for hunting, I have a question or two. How much PR tax does a single firearm sale generate? A hunter with an air rifle has to spend the same amount of money on other hunting equipment and licenses. I don't buy ammo, I buy components and load my own - is PR tax collected on the components too?
Do all the states put the PR funds that they receive into specific wildlife earmarked projects or does any of that money go into the general fund and find it's way to non-wildlife projects?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 10:44:11 GMT -5
Ohio does not, but I'm not sure how funds go the ODNR. On our taxes at the very end we have an option to donate there. Like 3 or 5 dollars to check.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Dec 1, 2018 11:05:48 GMT -5
Ohio does not, but I'm not sure how funds go the ODNR. On our taxes at the very end we have an option to donate there. Like 3 or 5 dollars to check. LIscenses stamps along with ramp fees park pass fees. We also have the option to donate on our taxes. I do $5 a year.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 1, 2018 11:09:20 GMT -5
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Post by stevein on Dec 1, 2018 12:04:58 GMT -5
I do not care what the other guy uses. If I recall PR is a 10% tax applied to MSRP. BUT if the PR fund dollars are an issue what about the Lifetime license only being used for 20 years for PR Funds?
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