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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 31, 2018 9:29:40 GMT -5
I voted yesterday, since I'll be out of town on election day. I usually try to do early voting, so much quicker and easier than standing in line on the official date.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 31, 2018 9:30:00 GMT -5
With the Braun/Donnelly race tight, those who consider themselves conservatives (but are looking @ voting for Brenton) might want to revisit that decision. If she pulls the 5% of voters that she's polling @ right now, (and with this race a dead heat), Donnelly may very well pull this win out. In the end, it's your voice, your choice but voting for someone who has ZERO chance of winning this race may very well mean Donnelly represents Indiana for another 6 years. 100% right on... Donnelly’s campaign is pulling what they pulled before,.. paying for the Libertarian’s ads.. That should tell us all something..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 11:26:47 GMT -5
With the Braun/Donnelly race tight, those who consider themselves conservatives (but are looking @ voting for Brenton) might want to revisit that decision. If she pulls the 5% of voters that she's polling @ right now, (and with this race a dead heat), Donnelly may very well pull this win out. In the end, it's your voice, your choice but voting for someone who has ZERO chance of winning this race may very well mean Donnelly represents Indiana for another 6 years. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 11:28:01 GMT -5
With the Braun/Donnelly race tight, those who consider themselves conservatives (but are looking @ voting for Brenton) might want to revisit that decision. If she pulls the 5% of voters that she's polling @ right now, (and with this race a dead heat), Donnelly may very well pull this win out. In the end, it's your voice, your choice but voting for someone who has ZERO chance of winning this race may very well mean Donnelly represents Indiana for another 6 years. 100% right on... Donnelly’s campaign is pulling what they pulled before,.. paying for the Libertarian’s ads.. That should tell us all something.. When Donnelly invoked the name of President Reagan, I nearly fell over. That is desperation folks, when a demon-crat invokes the name of Ronald Reagan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 11:29:58 GMT -5
Except the Libertarian candidate just said that of course contraceptives out to be available and affordable...really? So the Libertarian think government ought to enact price controls and not allow the market to dictate prices and cost? Sounds like demon-crats to me. Did the candidate actually call for price controls? Or is that your interpretation of the statement? Allowing for a punch bowl of condoms in a high school nurse's office is much different than free birth control pills for all. Maybe the intent was to remove the ridiculous barriers preventing access to contraception as govt tries to dictate morality. I didn't hear this statement so please provide additional context. As of this morning, I will probably just leave that option blank. How often do candidates actually "call" for something like that. She very clearly implied it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 31, 2018 13:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 31, 2018 14:05:39 GMT -5
Like other's on here I'm almost a one issue voter. You support abortion you don't get my vote.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 31, 2018 14:17:25 GMT -5
At this point, any vote other than for Braun and you are for losing your guns and more dead babies, imo. Voting for that libertarian is a vote for Joe, now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 14:30:38 GMT -5
Like other's on here I'm almost a one issue voter. You support abortion you don't get my vote. I am concerned about the lives of the unborn, about our Second Amendment rights, As in: shall not be infringed means exactly that, and illegal aliens and securing our border, finally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 14:31:10 GMT -5
I hate that when that happens...
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Post by moose1am on Nov 4, 2018 11:15:06 GMT -5
I'm a 2nd amendment guy. I'm also concerned about the environment that we live in. I have cancer and have had 4 heart attacks. I live in the SouthWestern Part of IN and have to breathe the air. The air where I live is polluted by some of the largest Coal-Fired Power Plants in the World. We have the Ohio River and the Wabash River along with good rain and highways for transporting the coal. We have huge coal reserves in this area too. So that is why all the power plants are built in this area. We call this area the Ohio River Valley and there is a reason why the air pollution clings to this area. We are in a valley and at a certain time the upper atmosphere gets colder than the air at the ground and we get air temperature inversions which trap all the air pollution at ground level. Look at the courthouse copper in your hometown. The copper turns green because of exposure to Sulfates in the air we breathe. That sulfur in the air is like car battery acid in your lungs and on your car and other metals. That sulfur in the sulfates is what damages the tissues in your lungs, windpipe, and nose. It's why people have allergies in this area. I'm all for solar energy when it can be done. I'm all for converting from coal to solar, wind and fuel cells to help eliminate air pollution.
Now the main thing that I worry about is health care. I'm 67 years old now and depend on SSI to buy all the medicines that the doctors prescribe for me. I take a lot of medicine. So Medicare is very important to me. I have cancer now and take medicine for that too. I also have two bad shoulders. One, due to a fall on a treadmill at the doctor's office which almost pulled my right shoulder out. The other from a bad flu shot that has caused me pain ever since. Then the Dr at Tri-State Orthopaedics found a mass on my spine. Turns out that the reason I was having a burning pain in my left upper thigh is that I have a tumor on the nerve that comes out of my Lumbar 1 spine. The tumor grew in the cover on the nerve and press on the nerve bundle causing pain in my left thigh. I can't walk very far these days due to the pain. The Chemo shots that I take for cancer made me gain weight and that's not good for my diabetes. So as you can see Health Care is my number one interest when it comes to voting these days. I can't get the boat out and fish anymore. I don't have the energy to climb a ladder and clean up the leaves in the gutters anymore. So I have to pay someone to do that for me. Which really sucks at it's not cheap to hire others to do the things I use to be able to do myself. I can still cut the grass with my riding lawn mower but it's getting harder to stand and push the other push lawn mower and trim the sidewalk and driveway with the weed eater. I have to take these Lupron Shots for another 8 months and then I'm done with them for a while. Unless the cancer comes back. Then I may have to seek other treatments. I had open heart surgery back in 2009 and after that was doing better. But my heart has never been the same since the 3rd heart attack. I had two heart attacks before I ahd the 3rd one that sent me to the hospital. Then I had a blood clot form inside my heart and had to take a blood thinner for 3 months to get rid of the blood clot. Many years ago I had a heart attack and didn't know it was a heart attack. All I knew is that I had a pain in my back for two or three days before it went away. After that day I had a hard time with energy. I could not hold my arms up over my head and had trouble washing my hair in the shower. I thought I was just out of shape and needed to start working out more. But I didn't have any energy. Finally, in March of 2009, I had a pain in my chest that did not go away. I took 6 baby chewable 81mg aspirins that morning (3 am) and tried to go back to sleep but the pain was still there. A heavy feeling in my chest. I took 6 more baby chewable aspirins and still the pain was there. I finally decided to call 911 and the Paramedics came to treat me. They took me to the ER where the ER doctors treated me for a heart attack. I spend a total of 37 days in the hospital getting the surgery and recovering from a bacterial infection that almost killed me. I gain over 80 lbs of fluid due to the bacterial infection almost knocking out my kidneys. I recovered but it took 3 more months to heal my breastbone. They cut the breastbone down the middle long ways to get into the heart. So they have to staple the breastbone back together and it takes 3 months for the breastbone to fuse back together again. And it's painful as HE((. Each breath hurts. When you cough it really hurts so they give you a hard pillow to hold up against your breath to ease the pain and the movement of the healing breastbone. Believe me, you don't want to go through an open heart surgery if you don't have to. It's very painful and they give you morphine to help ease the pain. But after the morphine is gone you are back in pain again.
So health care is my number one issue these days. So I'm voting for the Guy who preserves and helps improve health care for people like me. And someday you too many get cancer or have a heart disease and will need help with your medical expenses.
My neighbor worked three jobs. His wife worked full time at Walmart. She got sick and had to go to the hospital for an operation. The bills were so high that they lost their home and had to move in with their parents. This can happen to you just as easily. Healthcare costs are way out of control. My hospital bills totaled nearly $300,000. More than I paid for my house, truck and boat.
Now I'm concerned about the illegal aliens who enter our country and take up our resources. I'm registered to carry a firearm for self-protection. I have a carry permit now. And I think that gun ownership and the 2nd amendment is very important. And I think that the current US Supreme Court will ensure that our 2nd amendment is protected. So I'm not worried about the 2nd amendment as much as I was in the past. So now my biggest worry is health care.
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Post by Russ Koon on Nov 5, 2018 12:49:00 GMT -5
Moose, sorry to hear about your medical needs. It is really amazing what the hospitals charge. Seems to be completely unrelated to any actual costs, sometimes.
I know when my wife had a simple colonoscopy a few years ago, and a "snip" was needed to remove a small polyp that looked suspicious but turned out to be benign, the bill was upwards of ten thousand dollars! That was for a surgery that took about a half hour, and didn't require any overnight stay, just an hour or so in the recovery room, and we were home in about two hours from when she checked in. Medicare covered the procedure if it was a standard procedure, but didn't if any surgery was needed to remove any suspicious tissue.
We had some previous experience with hospital bills by that time, although we'd both been relatively healthy, and we knew there was a big difference between what they billed and what they actually expected to get after some negotiations with insurance companies. Unfortunately, the uninsured are caught in the crossfire of that battleground and can be bankrupted if not represented. After ignoring their original request for a while until the insurance companies had a chance to pay what they would, the bills eventually were reduced by about 90% and we paid a tad over a thousand, which still seemed salty to me but was close enough to reality to pay without involving a lawyer.
The default position for the medical facilities seems to be to bill the customer for an arm and a leg, and settle for toenail clipping if they think that's probably all they'll ever get.
I know when I just barely nicked my arm with a chainsaw and the wife insisted we go out to the hospital, we waited about an hour in the general waiting area, and then I was "looked at" by a kid who was pleasant enough but was not an actual medical technician, more of an information taker, and then "admitted" by another information taker, and finally I got to go in and have a seat on a bed in the area where the medical care is sometimes administered. After sitting in that area another forty minutes I told the wife that in five more minutes I was leaving. She still had some objections, but we were on our way in five minutes, still unseen by anyone but information takers.
The hospital then billed us for $241 dollars for sitting on their furniture for the better part of two hours waiting for medical care. They sounded serious about it, too, but after explaining that I would NOT be paying for the use of their furnishings, they finally decided that would be OK.
I don't know what the answer is, but I really doubt that it's going to be found in the promises of politicians whose "plans" are unsupported by any evidence that they will be paid for or will be sustainable in the real world.
Remember the promises that we would be able to keep our current health plans if we liked them?
The rosy promises that were made were not really health care, just promises of health care that was already failing in many areas by the next election cycle because of its inherent insolvency. Promises to "keep" something that you really don't have are as phony as the promises of providing it in the first place.
The most realistic health plans are the ones that have the least government involvement. Promises of better things are easy to find, but tend to disappear when there are bills to be paid and the elections are in the past. Most of the benefits paid by the phony plans are actually phony benefits because they are paid to reduce phony benefits to more realistic levels.
It's a confusing mess with the actual truth being difficult to find. Not what any of us need to deal with when we are in a weakened condition and under stress handling our other issues.
Best of luck in your battles with your health issues and the battles with the providers who have you confused with someone who's filthy rich.
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Post by jimstc on Nov 5, 2018 18:38:14 GMT -5
Moose, You have suffered more than many. I read an article recently that ranked cities with the worst allergies and lung health which of course leads to other health problems. Louisville, KY was number two. The Ohio river valley is a unique place as you have demonstrated. I will make you a part of my daily prayers and pray for your recovery. I hope that many other members of this forum will do the same.
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Post by HighCotton on Nov 6, 2018 7:46:19 GMT -5
My wife and I got home last night and noticed that 5 out of 6 of my nearest neighbors have Donnelly signs in their yard. Two of the families, totally surprised me with this. I had thought they were extreme right wing, pro gun, pro life from previous conversations. Fooled me! Or do they really support Donnelly? Or are they even home? Other Neighbors playing a joke? Guess I'll have to go ask!!!
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Post by jjas on Nov 6, 2018 9:17:09 GMT -5
Moose1am
As baby boomers continue to age and begin to overwhelm the system, something is going to have to give. I know it's a touchy subject with a lot of people, but the truth is health care has become so expensive that many can't afford it and are doing without treatments and medications they need.
What's the answer? I wish I knew.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 9:30:45 GMT -5
Get rid of current health care called Obama Care.
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Post by greyhair on Nov 6, 2018 10:25:19 GMT -5
The main reason for the high cost of health care is the obscene profits made by companies like Anthem and others. And the drug companies.
I don't advocate government run health care, but I like the idea of not-for-profit health care providers. I read about a European country that does this. Privately run, non-profit systems where you still have to buy coverage, but it is very, very affordable.
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Post by Russ Koon on Nov 6, 2018 11:23:14 GMT -5
I think we need to take another look at the underlying cost of health care.
We all agree that the bills have gone to extreme heights, and there are a lot of "reasons" given by different sources and have been for several years as the prices continue to increase at well above the rate of inflation.
Some of that is justified, as the care has also increased in effectiveness, generally, over those years.
Some of it is justified on the basis of those who can afford no health care for whatever reason are still provided at least the basic necessities in emergency treatment with the knowledge that billing them will be a futile effort that only wastes more in the process. The treatment of those who obviously will not pay is added into the amount the provider needs to receive from those who can and will pay.
And as the costs rose higher from those causes, the need for health insurance became more critical for everyone. And that snowball effect continues with no real end in sight. We NEED health insurance, because the costs are too high to be without it. And the costs can go even higher because we're mostly all covered by a plan that pays at least the majority of the costs, removing the lid that would normally would be there in the form of limits of the customer to pay the price.
Insurance spreads the costs over the multitudes of healthy and ill, and those still in the workforce and those of us who are retired, making outrageous costs possible. And the more we go from multiple insurance plans that are competing for our business so they can make a reasonable profit, towards government "single-payer" plans where there is no competition and no need to make any profit, the more we'll see in the way of cost increases.
Probably the final stage in that drama will be after we've gone completely over the ledge into a single government run plan and the private insurance companies are gone. That seems to be the goal of many who have been raised to hear "profit" as another unspeakable, the "p-word", not to be seen any more in schoolbooks or spoken aloud in public.
I don't recall who it was that pointed out, a year or so ago, that those who desire a single-payer plan run entirely by the government might be well advised to study the overall efficiency and care provided by the Veterans Administration.
And the final issue that drives the cost increase is the increasing availability of measures that can prolong the last years of our lives. I don't recall the exact figures, but something like 80% of our health care costs are incurred in the final six months of our lives, or somewhere in that area. More people seem to be making the choice to accept only palliative care when facing a terminal illness in the final stages, and more doctors are prescribing that now than did so a generation or two ago, I think. And I feel pretty sure the numbers of us who make provisions ahead of time for that decision are increasing as well, so there may be some easing of that factor's influence on the costs.
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Post by jjas on Nov 6, 2018 13:55:08 GMT -5
I think what will eventually happen is a single payer system and the health insurance companies will sell supplemental plans for those who want a higher standard of care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 15:42:14 GMT -5
Moose1am As baby boomers continue to age and begin to overwhelm the system, something is going to have to give. I know it's a touchy subject with a lot of people, but the truth is health care has become so expensive that many can't afford it and are doing without treatments and medications they need. What's the answer? I wish I knew. Here`s a fact. Government has zero authority provided per the United States Constitution to own, provide, mandate or direct healthcare. It is a touchy subject, but we`re not a socialist state. At least, not yet despite the best efforts of libs. I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. - James Madison While I don`t know what the answers are, I do know what the answers are not.
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