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Post by 36fan on Oct 8, 2018 17:35:13 GMT -5
I don't care what it scores, you got a nice buck!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 8, 2018 18:15:13 GMT -5
I don't care what it scores, you got a nice buck! Oh for sure, he was so mature his antlers didn't even matter much...but the perk of them being what they are is pretty exciting too LOL
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Post by bigbuckd on Oct 9, 2018 9:35:09 GMT -5
Congrats! Awesome buck, always a great feeling and thanks for sharing!
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Post by Sasquatch on Oct 10, 2018 22:28:44 GMT -5
That is one heckuva deer! Was he named after a location, or perhaps the famous orator of Rome? Well done!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 10, 2018 22:38:15 GMT -5
That is one heckuva deer! Was he named after a location, or perhaps the famous orator of Rome? Well done! While the Rome orator is true and shares the same name...he was named after his right brow area which looks like an old court jester hat....a character in Elder Scrolls: Skyrim was named Cicero and that is one of my favorite games ever. I know I'm a geek....
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Post by Sasquatch on Oct 10, 2018 22:54:53 GMT -5
That is one heckuva deer! Was he named after a location, or perhaps the famous orator of Rome? Well done! While the Rome orator is true and shares the same name...he was named after his right brow area which looks like an old court jester hat....a character in Elder Scrolls: Skyrim was named Cicero and that is one of my favorite games ever. I know I'm a geek.... A geek perhaps...and evidently a good shot. Gave him the ol' dirt nap!
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Post by butlerj on Oct 11, 2018 14:26:07 GMT -5
I was wondering how you named the buck also.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 27, 2018 16:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by schall53 on Oct 28, 2018 9:22:39 GMT -5
Done
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Post by gumbootbill on Oct 28, 2018 18:39:25 GMT -5
Done it.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 7:45:49 GMT -5
The scoring process should be interesting with the one side G-2 and G-3 look to be sharing same base and what antler on other side is scored as the G-1 (Brow tine). Definitely looks to be P&Y HRB....from just the pics I say 3.5-4.5 yr deer for sure. Did you happen to weigh him ? Yup the scoring is crazy...we roughed hin around 167 1/2 or so the night of the kill but that was with stiff tape and rounding down. I out actual flexible (not stretchy tape) to him and got gross 173 area. The right brow area is crazy....I'll try to post a picture but there essentially is three main parts...one is the nearly second beam but it comes off right above what I suspect and scored as the G1...there is however a separate entirely point beside the main brow IMO which has the two stickers off it....greatly impacting the net score depending which a scorer chooses...however gross doesn't matter. That G2 area on the left beam IMO is clearly not a G2 and a G3 but a G2 and an 8.5 inch abnormal as it clearly does not come off beam alone. The other place I am curious what a scorer will do is with the right first mass measurement...depending where proper placement is due to all that stuff I go from 8 minimum clear to 9 and tick above. I tried to guess IF everything I suspect may be wrong high I'm around the 168 or 169 area...if I errored low in a couple suspected spots I am closer to 175. Definitely gonna get a certified scorer to check the thing out...may go to two just to see if similar outcomes. You ever get this Deer officially scored?
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Post by featherduster on Dec 10, 2018 8:26:34 GMT -5
DONE!
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 10, 2018 8:40:16 GMT -5
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐👍
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 10, 2018 15:41:41 GMT -5
Yup the scoring is crazy...we roughed hin around 167 1/2 or so the night of the kill but that was with stiff tape and rounding down. I out actual flexible (not stretchy tape) to him and got gross 173 area. The right brow area is crazy....I'll try to post a picture but there essentially is three main parts...one is the nearly second beam but it comes off right above what I suspect and scored as the G1...there is however a separate entirely point beside the main brow IMO which has the two stickers off it....greatly impacting the net score depending which a scorer chooses...however gross doesn't matter. That G2 area on the left beam IMO is clearly not a G2 and a G3 but a G2 and an 8.5 inch abnormal as it clearly does not come off beam alone. The other place I am curious what a scorer will do is with the right first mass measurement...depending where proper placement is due to all that stuff I go from 8 minimum clear to 9 and tick above. I tried to guess IF everything I suspect may be wrong high I'm around the 168 or 169 area...if I errored low in a couple suspected spots I am closer to 175. Definitely gonna get a certified scorer to check the thing out...may go to two just to see if similar outcomes. You ever get this Deer officially scored? Drying period was up the 4th I believe....and I haven't taken it back in. 175 was an official scorer not me...but was a green score.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 15:48:21 GMT -5
Gussing that was gross not net?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 10, 2018 21:00:09 GMT -5
Gussing that was gross not net? Yup, nets are for fish. LoL I'll be getting Non-Typical B&C official score as well but never been a fan of deducting what it grew personally...but still curious. When done I'll be sure to share.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2018 21:50:23 GMT -5
Nets maybe for fish but your counting air with either score (net/gross)and deer don't grow air!
Maybe get buck masters to score it if you want to just count "Bone" with no deductions!
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 10, 2018 23:32:19 GMT -5
Nets maybe for fish but your counting air with either score (net/gross)and deer don't grow air! Maybe get buck masters to score it if you want to just count "Bone" with no deductions! Yup 100%. I bring that up to folks all the time about the spread isn't what they grew as well.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 11, 2018 7:01:41 GMT -5
Maybe it matters if you're trying to get a deer in the books, but the spread on a whitetail really is going to make a difference of what.. maybe 6 inches from a really narrow buck to a really wide buck?
Another interesting thing is that on whitetails, everybody talks about inside spread since that's the measurement that gets tallied. On mule deer, where width is one of the most desirable traits for a lot of folks, they'll measure the widest point on the outside spread and that's what everybody talks about. It doesn't go into any sort of score tally, just a way folks describe the size of a buck.
I was at a nearby taxidermist shop when somebody came in to score the big Glendale buck from this year. He didn't even measure everything to get the gross score, he'd just measure the shortest tine on each side then double it to avoid having to make the deductions. That may be a fine way to get the net score, but doesn't really show the amount of bone that a deer really grew. All you really have to do to see this is go somewhere like a Cabelas where there are a lot of big deer with scores posted alongside them.. there may be 2 deer side by side with a similar score, but one had definitely been packing a lot more weight around than the other.
I really think if you wanted a fair measuring system that accounts for all antler mass, some type of liquid immersion/displacement technique would be the way to go.
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 19, 2019 19:57:59 GMT -5
Official Net score as Non Typical was 166 and change. Shocked personally, assumed he would lose more but all his non typical tines added up.
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