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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 9:29:36 GMT -5
Every single demon-crat in the Senate and the House have to have an intense background check, and have open hearings so that anyone can speak and make America aware of anything and everything they may have done in their lives that speaks to their character, or lack of character. There doesn`t need to be any proof of any allegations, and even the details provided by anyone testifying don`t have to be clear, concrete, or certain, just very vague and fuzzy details are fine. After all, they`re all guilty unless they can prove their innocence, and they ought not be in office unless they can pass the same rigorous vetting they`re putting Judge Kavanaugh through.
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Post by jjas on Sept 29, 2018 10:44:26 GMT -5
Never going to happen. These people make the laws for the country and the rules for themselves and I can guarantee you that quite of few of the Senators and Congress people have plenty of skeletons in their closets that they don't ever want to see the light of day.
BTW, while we all know that Feinstein is hiding behind the BS tale of "I held this information to protect the privacy of Ford", it was done so not only to try and derail the nomination at the last minute in the hope of her party picking up a Senate seat or two, but also as payback for the Republicans not allowing Obama's last nominee to the Supreme court to go through the conformation process.
All of this is about politics...pure and simple, and Feinstein has been around a long time and definitely knows how to play the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 11:01:20 GMT -5
Never going to happen. These people make the laws for the country and the rules for themselves and I can guarantee you that quite of few of the Senators and Congress people have plenty of skeletons in their closets that they don't ever want to see the light of day. BTW, while we all know that Feinstein is hiding behind the BS tale of "I held this information to protect the privacy of Ford", it was done so not only to try and derail the nomination at the last minute in the hope of her party picking up a Senate seat or two, but also as payback for the Republicans not allowing Obama's last nominee to the Supreme court to go through the conformation process. All of this is about politics...pure and simple, and Feinstein has been around a long time and definitely knows how to play the game. I would love to see Feinstein investigated and prosecuted for obstruction of justice for sitting on that information as long as she did, then intentionally leaking it, but that will never happen. It is unthinkable to me that anyone could see the timing of the release of these accusations, the way they were released, and the way these are just more in a long pattern of character assassinations by libs, and not see it all for exactly what it is.
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Post by jjas on Sept 29, 2018 11:11:40 GMT -5
Don't be surprised that during the FBI investigation into Kavanaugh, suddenly another women or two with new allegations of misbehavior pop up.
If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised to see this nomination revoked (as there is no way that Murkowski, Collins, (and possibly Flake) are going to play ball. Then the Republicans will be forced to wait until after the mid-terms to nominate someone else (if they hold onto the Senate). If the Republicans do hold onto the Senate, I think the likely new nominee will be Amy Coney Barrett. I wonder if the Dems will go as hard after a women as they did Kavanaugh.
If the Republicans don't hold onto the Senate, the Democrats aren't about to let a nomination go through (regardless of gender) as at that point, it's payback time for not allowing Obama's nominee go through the process.
Don't you just love politics?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 11:15:58 GMT -5
Don't be surprised that during the FBI investigation into Kavanaugh, suddenly another women or two with new allegations of misbehavior pop up. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised to see this nomination revoked (as there is no way that Murkowski, Collins, (and possibly Flake) are going to play ball. Then the Republicans will be forced to wait until after the mid-terms to nominate someone (if they hold onto the Senate). If the Republicans don't hold onto the Senate, the Democrats aren't about to let a nomination go through as at that point, it's payback time for not allowing Obama's nominee go through the process. Don't you just love politics? Liberal politics trouble me, as does the mindset of too many people in this country. We are supposed to be a nation of law, with the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. The emotional, hysterical rhetoric, and the public lynchings hearken back to the Salem witch trials.
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Post by jjas on Sept 29, 2018 11:18:12 GMT -5
Don't be surprised that during the FBI investigation into Kavanaugh, suddenly another women or two with new allegations of misbehavior pop up. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised to see this nomination revoked (as there is no way that Murkowski, Collins, (and possibly Flake) are going to play ball. Then the Republicans will be forced to wait until after the mid-terms to nominate someone (if they hold onto the Senate). If the Republicans don't hold onto the Senate, the Democrats aren't about to let a nomination go through as at that point, it's payback time for not allowing Obama's nominee go through the process. Don't you just love politics? Liberal politics trouble me, as does the mindset of too many people in this country. We are supposed to be a nation of law, with the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. The emotional, hysterical rhetoric, and the public lynchings hearken back to the Salem witch trials. IMO, it's not just liberal politics. It's politics in general.
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Post by duff on Sept 29, 2018 17:31:22 GMT -5
I agree that it is politics in general. The ploys and tactics are same. The current debackle is pathetic and we all should be worried that our elected officials believe the words written in a highschool yearbook are significant in his hearings...or that unsubstantiated claims from 30+ yrs ago are valid.
If those are the worst things to surface then he is cleanest guy in Washington!
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 29, 2018 17:44:33 GMT -5
The FBI will leave no stone unturned but as Biden once said “they wil come to no conclusion”.
Unless they come up with something to hang him with the Dems won’t be satisfied and will want to extend it.
Look for more to come out of the wood work as Doctor Wood has already made over a million dollars with gofundme..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 18:04:04 GMT -5
The FBI will leave no stone unturned but as Biden once said “they wil come to no conclusion”. Unless they come up with something to hang him with the Dems won’t be satisfied and will want to extend it. Look for more to come out of the wood work as Doctor Wood has already made over a million dollars with gofundme.. .. Although I`m not a Republican per se, because that party has seemingly moved so far to the left, I still feel compelled to support them mostly, seeing as how libs are so far off center, and in my estimation are anti-America, and mentally and emotionally unstable. So, I reject the notion that has been expressed just above, that all politics are the same. I`ve not see the GOP to date, stoop to the evil and outright lies of the left. That being said, I believe Feinstein must be investigated, and hopefully prosecuted for obstruction of justice for sitting on this so called, "sexual assault', and only trotting it out for political gain. I likewise believe Ford is a flat-out liar, and must be investigated for her financial gain due to her fabricated lies about having been sexually assaulted. Ford has attempted to bring down the nomination of Judge Kavanaugh to the High Court, and by doing so, has tarnished his name, reputation, and character. For possibly the first time ever, I agree with Lindsey Graham, in that, this entire circus is a sham, is despicable, and is an affront to decency and our rule of law. Libs are very proficient at tearing down the character of those they oppose, and convoluting the discussion so thoroughly that it becomes nearly impossible to sort through all the crap and point out and address all the issues. Liberals are absolutely, positively, domestic terrorists.
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Post by hugedogleg on Sept 29, 2018 20:12:03 GMT -5
I vote for two things and two things only. Who is going to protect my second amendment rights and who is going to tax me the least. I'm not saying they're perfect because they're not but they are way better than the Dems.
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Post by swilk on Sept 29, 2018 20:27:37 GMT -5
I keep hoping the libertarian party can get it's act together and put up viable candidates....I believe in the Constitution first and foremost.
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Post by duff on Sept 30, 2018 6:32:47 GMT -5
I keep hoping the libertarian party can get it's act together and put up viable candidates....I believe in the Constitution first and foremost. Me too. I hope they can get behind each other and put some viable canidates out there. The republicans have same flaws as the democrats. They both love big govt just a slight shift in which organizations benefit. I certainly fall into the republican side way more than I don't but I can't say I am very happy. Seen too many republicans vote against hunters to say they are for us. Brian Bosma is a good local example.
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Post by jjas on Sept 30, 2018 6:43:29 GMT -5
I keep hoping the libertarian party can get it's act together and put up viable candidates....I believe in the Constitution first and foremost. Me too. I hope they can get behind each other and put some viable canidates out there. The republicans have same flaws as the democrats. They both love big govt just a slight shift in which organizations benefit. I certainly fall into the republican side way more than I don't but I can't say I am very happy. Seen too many republicans vote against hunters to say they are for us. Brian Bosma is a good local example. With statistics showing that 90+% of incumbents win re-election (if they run), how do we really expect things to change? These people surely aren't going to vote for term limits and as such we are stuck with the same old BS. The only thing I can see changing it is to vote for other people who support our views in the primaries. The problem with that? Most challengers (if there are any) lack the name recognition and funding to run an effective campaign and people like Mitch McConnell continue to win as long as they want to and the cycle continues. There have been a few elections that seem to be bucking that trend, and I hope it continues. One thing that may be a true game changer is social media. It's appears to be a very effective way to reach voters (especially younger voters).
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Post by greyhair on Sept 30, 2018 10:26:32 GMT -5
It seems to me that the extreme left-wing and the extreme right-wing have taken over the microphones, and the other 80% of us that are more reasonable and not so extreme either way can't be heard. I have lots of friends and family of both parties that are decent, thoughtful, respectable people. They are just not screaming
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 11:16:20 GMT -5
It seems to me that the extreme left-wing and the extreme right-wing have taken over the microphones, and the other 80% of us that are more reasonable and not so extreme either way can't be heard. I have lots of friends and family of both parties that are decent, thoughtful, respectable people. They are just not screaming I`m one of those on the extreme, far, far, far, far right. No one needs to apologize for where they stand, or what they stand for, so long as, they aren`t committing crimes, lying, misrepresenting facts, or otherwise using misdirection or misrepresentation in order to further an agenda. We in the United States aren`t a democracy, and it`s troubling how few understand the difference between a democracy and what we are: a constitutional republic. The Founders were brilliant, in that, they gave us a constitutional republic rather than a democracy. In a true democracy, a mob majority runs everything, and individual rights are subject to the whims of societal and cultural, and even political winds. In our constitutional Republic, individual freedoms and liberties are protected from a mob majority, as enshrined and enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the law of the land. Not someone's interpretation of them, but what they literally say. One thing the Founders expected, I believe, was a greater awareness and participation in government from the everyday man and woman. In the UNited States, you and I, "We the People", are the government. Our elected representatives, what I like to call, our "elected employees", are just that, our employees. They are supposed to be bound by, and answerable to, the United States Constitution, and their employers, We the People. One of the things that is killing this country is the absolute apathy by the people. That, and us saying nothing when government. whether local, state, or federal, oversteps it`s constitutional bounds, when that government steps outside of the proper role of government. There is much that needs to be addressed, and sadly and unfortunately, as our culture and society become more and more morally bankrupt, we lose the desire, the motivation, and even the wisdom to properly and adequately address and remedy these grievances. The Founders envisioned, and intended a federal government that was extremely limited in it`s scope, authority, and reach. This federal government today is so massive, so bloated, so corrupt, and so intrusive, I think the Founders would be disgusted with us as a people for not only having allowed this travesty and encroachment on our individual liberties, but because we`ve been guilty of encouraging and tolerating it. Differences of opinion and discussion are healthy and ultimately beneficial for the country. Intimidation, emotional, hysterical rhetoric, alongside character assassination, and personal attacks that border on criminal activity, as we`ve seen in the Kavanaugh debacle, are not only unhealthy and detrimental to this Republic, but they are immoral and a sure sign of spiritual sickness in America.
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 30, 2018 11:23:40 GMT -5
Fraud and obstruction of justice need to be pursued. Ford and Feinstein should be investigated. Follow the money
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Post by hugedogleg on Sept 30, 2018 17:18:50 GMT -5
Perfectly said. It seems to me that the extreme left-wing and the extreme right-wing have taken over the microphones, and the other 80% of us that are more reasonable and not so extreme either way can't be heard. I have lots of friends and family of both parties that are decent, thoughtful, respectable people. They are just not screaming I`m one of those on the extreme, far, far, far, far right. No one needs to apologize for where they stand, or what they stand for, so long as, they aren`t committing crimes, lying, misrepresenting facts, or otherwise using misdirection or misrepresentation in order to further an agenda. We in the United States aren`t a democracy, and it`s troubling how few understand the difference between a democracy and what we are: a constitutional republic. The Founders were brilliant, in that, they gave us a constitutional republic rather than a democracy. In a true democracy, a mob majority runs everything, and individual rights are subject to the whims of societal and cultural, and even political winds. In our constitutional Republic, individual freedoms and liberties are protected from a mob majority, as enshrined and enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the law of the land. Not someone's interpretation of them, but what they literally say. One thing the Founders expected, I believe, was a greater awareness and participation in government from the everyday man and woman. In the UNited States, you and I, "We the People", are the government. Our elected representatives, what I like to call, our "elected employees", are just that, our employees. They are supposed to be bound by, and answerable to, the United States Constitution, and their employers, We the People. One of the things that is killing this country is the absolute apathy by the people. That, and us saying nothing when government. whether local, state, or federal, oversteps it`s constitutional bounds, when that government steps outside of the proper role of government. There is much that needs to be addressed, and sadly and unfortunately, as our culture and society become more and more morally bankrupt, we lose the desire, the motivation, and even the wisdom to properly and adequately address and remedy these grievances. The Founders envisioned, and intended a federal government that was extremely limited in it`s scope, authority, and reach. This federal government today is so massive, so bloated, so corrupt, and so intrusive, I think the Founders would be disgusted with us as a people for not only having allowed this travesty and encroachment on our individual liberties, but because we`ve been guilty of encouraging and tolerating it. Differences of opinion and discussion are healthy and ultimately beneficial for the country. Intimidation, emotional, hysterical rhetoric, alongside character assassination, and personal attacks that border on criminal activity, as we`ve seen in the Kavanaugh debacle, are not only unhealthy and detrimental to this Republic, but they are immoral and a sure sign of spiritual sickness in America.
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Post by greyhair on Oct 2, 2018 23:27:16 GMT -5
I guess my point is that- you are correct on this - intimidation, emotional, hysterical rhetoric, character assassination, and outright lying are taking place - and the extremists on both sides are the culprits. I want to pull my hair out when one side vilifies the other for doing what they do themselves.
The Republicans are as dirty as the Democrats, and vice-versa.
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Post by jimstc on Oct 3, 2018 14:12:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 14:52:28 GMT -5
Certainly, it`s just one more liberal staple in their arsenal, they`ll deflect, they`ll misrepresent, they`ll convolute the discussion with so much crap, that one could never sort through it all and address it. They`re going on about his "behavior", and they`re going on about his drinking, and on and on and on and on. Although I no longer identify myself with the Republican party, it`s not because they`re as bad as dems, and I flat-out reject the notion that Republicans are as bad, quite the opposite. The GOP tends to let liberals literally get away with murder, and too many times seem to be confused as to what to do about the evil that comes from demon-crats. The reason I`ve left the Republican party is that they`re not even close to conservative enough to suit me, and I simply won`t endorse or support people like that. I know what I believe in, I know what I stand for, and when you crow that you`re one who is able to "reach across the aisle", that`s code for, just like libs, you support attacks on the constitutional rights of American citizens, that you support the American Holocaust of butchering infants in the womb, and open borders, etc. I know, before anyone yells at me, these are contentious issues, but that`s where I`m at. I`m waiting for the next move from libs to be attacks on Judge Kavanaugh from his Elementary school days, and some awful thing he did there too. It`s a true shame that in the United States today, a lot of people have forgotten that we are innocent unless proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But then, I guess, when that doesn`t fit your agenda, it`s most expedient to act as if that`s not really the jurisprudence in the UNited States.
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